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Why Do My C++ Files Turn Up As Virusus ?

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Every ####ing time I run an antivirus on my laptop, it targets every single C++ compiled file I have as a virus.

 Do you's know what is causing this ?

 Right now I am using QT, but same thing happens when I use BloodShed.

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Norton 360 Antivirus? If so, it's probably the Norton Sonar protection component, which you can selectively disable without turning off the entire antivirus.
 
Some antivirus programs use a 'whitelist' strategy. Any file they don't recognize they assume is bad. This is beneficial for your average computer user who downloads "Greeting cards" that random spam emails link them to. This gives amusing results to indie developers:
 
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(A game I was working on with a few friends online some years back - yea, we did have too few users, Norton - thanks for rubbing it in)
 
By the by, as much as I liked Norton, neither Norton Antivirus or any other major anti-virus program does a perfect job. So when it came time to re-subscribe, I just uninstalled it and migrated to Microsoft Security Essentials, which is freely available and is fairly decent, less intrusive and annoying, and less CPU-heavy. That, combined with Spybot Search and Destroy (also free), coupled with a secure browser (Google Chrome) and the same cautious behavior that I'm sure you (and every computer-savy user) also possess, keeps me and my familys' computers secure (except when someone falls for a trick link - maybe twice a year - which then required manual intervention).
 
Save yourself the cost of a anti-virus subscription - they all do a mediocre job, the problem is still the user, and you might as well use the free ones like the one Microsoft provides coupled with SpyBot. Edited by Servant of the Lord
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I personally also get similar issues a fair amount with Avast, where it seems to be rather critical of any newly compiled binaries, apparently *especially* ones compiled with GCC.

 

one time, it also went and basically kept moving any VirtualDub related binaries to the virus vault, apparently having randomly decided that VirtualDub was a virus or something...

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Avast flags anything using GNU gettext compiled with any version of MinGW I've seen as "Malware" and considers many other executables as "dangerous" because none in their "community" has had the same file scanned before, too. The only workable solution is to uninstall all this shit (whitelisting the compiler and the development partition doesn't work properly). Kaspersky is even worse.

 

I've submitted bug reports considering the gettext thing repeatedly too, only reaction was the usual keep-consumer-busy-with-nonsense dance without much effect.

 

So chances are that whatever-you-use is just as bad. Antivirus live panic just doesn't work well with development. Heuristic scanners are pathetic and signature-based ones are not much better, so they will gratiously flag anything they haven't whitelisted as malware. Also, the perceived threat makes users more likely to spend money on malware and accept the detrimental impact of AV software on their system (which is often worse than the impact caused by the actual malware).

It's much the same as if your governmental thugs kill a few people by crashing an airplane into a building and later arrest some presumed "bombers". The perceived threat makes people much more compliant with other measures (giving up privacy rights, going to war) that they would never accept otherwise.

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And I thought this thread is about "How to create a C++ executable file that antiviruses label them as viruses?" or "How to create a virus?" type of thread.

 

And boy my anticipation and excitement skyrocketed... and dropped like dubstep.

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If one thing I hate about anti virus, it would be labeling a lot of compressed exe as virus - and this include Microsoft own anti virus.

 

I love watching a lot of 64k intros, and some big demos .exe are compressed too, for whatever reasons.

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Who has his programming pc online anyways ?

I do, for example. What's wrong with being connected to the internet as such? It's not like you couldn't make a modern system secure against intrusion from outside (even Windows can be made secure).

 

It's the stuff you download and execute you have to worry about, but then again it's not any more dangerous than anything you install/execute off a CDROM or an USB stick.

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Your AV software must be detecting that your code is infected with GPL. You're going to have to nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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Is anti-virus still needed? I thought Windows had become good enough to not require it anymore.

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Yes and no. Windows 8 (and presumably Windows 8.1) now comes bundled with anti-virus software: Windows Defender (what was a separate download for previous editions of Windows: Microsoft Security Essentials). So it's not really that you don't need it, it's that you might already have it.

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Ran across something like this before. My guess is the AV detects that the executable has been altered (by recompiling) and triggers a warning.

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Who has his programming pc online anyways ?

Really?

The only places where I've heard of development PC's not being online was inside the defence sector, when working with top secret IP.

These people still had a second 'safe' PC though, which they could use to access information from the web.

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I do, for example. What's wrong with being connected to the internet as such? It's not like you couldn't make a modern system secure against intrusion from outside (even Windows can be made secure).

 

 

 

It's the stuff you download and execute you have to worry about, but then again it's not any more dangerous than anything you install/execute off a CDROM or an USB stick.

 

 

I guess we find out in 10 years,

look to how unsafe Windows XP is now, that Microsoft themselfs willing to forbid everyone to use it.

Look if your current Windows is still unsafe after they are not supporting it anymore ?

 

 

 

Really?

 

The only places where I've heard of development PC's not being online was inside the defence sector, when working with top secret IP.

These people still had a second 'safe' PC though, which they could use to access information from the web.

 

 

I know people go online because they need the updates.

Suppose you are working on your game engine 10 years, are you still going online with the risk someone gets your work in 1 second ?

 

+ there are so many virusses, they need a whitelist instead of a blacklist, times changes.

 

What is worse : a virus scanner , or a virus ?

they both do the same : using your pc power, uploading your files to the internet, searching in your pc, request you to pay.

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I do, for example. What's wrong with being connected to the internet as such? It's not like you couldn't make a modern system secure against intrusion from outside (even Windows can be made secure).

 

 

 

It's the stuff you download and execute you have to worry about, but then again it's not any more dangerous than anything you install/execute off a CDROM or an USB stick.

 

 

I guess we find out in 10 years,

look to how unsafe Windows XP is now, that Microsoft themselfs willing to forbid everyone to use it.

Look if your current Windows is still unsafe after they are not supporting it anymore ?

 

 

 

Really?

 

The only places where I've heard of development PC's not being online was inside the defence sector, when working with top secret IP.

These people still had a second 'safe' PC though, which they could use to access information from the web.

 

 

I know people go online because they need the updates.

Suppose you are working on your game engine 10 years, are you still going online with the risk someone gets your work in 1 second ?

 

+ there are so many virusses, they need a whitelist instead of a blacklist, times changes.

 

What is worse : a virus scanner , or a virus ?

they both do the same : using your pc power, uploading your files to the internet, searching in your pc, request you to pay.

 

 

Wow... you're living up to your profile name.

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I guess we find out in 10 years,

look to how unsafe Windows XP is now, that Microsoft themselfs willing to forbid everyone to use it.

Look if your current Windows is still unsafe after they are not supporting it anymore ?
I've had Windows XP in use for 11 1/2 years, permanently connected to the internet. Not had one issue during that time. Updated to Windows 7 after that, and got no problem since.

Windows 8 is total shit, but for other reasons (using it on my tablet). As for virus/intrusion, none seen so far under Win8 either.

 

Had Linux servers online 24/7 with uptime dating to the mid-1990s, no single issue.

 

Threat is widely overrated. Unless you either run badly configured server software with well-known exploits, preferrably on a high-profile site, or unless you download a lot of crap on  your work PC, no such thing as being infected or exploited will likely happen. A somewhat sane setup with somewhat sane filesystem/user permissions will fend off 99.999% of the crap. A simple stateful firewall that isolates your work computer from the internet simply by not allowing incoming connections (such as is built into every router!) will prevent 99.99% of all attacks before they even begin. The only thing it really can't prevent is you being stupid and downloading/executing something. But it also can't prevent you from inserting a CDROM that contains malware... so really... what's the matter.

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If it was not unsafe they would not sell a new Windows version or what ?

Not to talk about NSA stuff ( Microsoft is American company ).

So for me its clear, cannot be trusted with your stuff.

 

 

 

 

Wow... you're living up to your profile name.

 

 

I just read all this, its not that i am a expert on security or something, i have my pc offline anyways so i dont have to care about it.

I,m just reading www.security.nl

greetings

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You don't have a cell phone and a passport, do you? And most certainly you do not use any money?

 

Because you know, if it's them you're afraid of, you should be aware that there's more of your life that is being controlled every day than the 3 porn movies you got on your computer.

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I dont have em : i am smart myself so i dont need a smart Phone.

Smart just means : privacy infringing.

 

I dont need a passport to, else i am in some American killer robots database in the year 2020 wich uses the photo for facial recognition.

 

Cash money however i do have.

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You will be delighted to hear that e.g. Euro bank notes have had RFIDs since around 2005. The only remarkable thing about Euros is that the EU made this public knowledge, other nations did the same, they only didn't tell everyone.

Any bill you have in your wallet makes you trackable, and every bill spent can be tracked back to you. No secrets.

 

As for cell phones, they need not be "smart" for your service provider and/or secret services to trivially and routinely track your position, and to eavesdrop not only on communications but also to use the phone as a remote microphone. That kind of stuff has been done since the 1990s.

 

If you don't have a passport, you sure do have some form of ID card or drivers license, there's hardly a way around them. They all have ISO 14443 RFIDs nowadays too. Contrary to common propaganda, these chips do not have an active range of 5-10cm but upwards of 3 meters. They also are not exclusively readable with the PIN.

Which means no more and no less than you're trackable and identifiable pretty much everywhere in every city. Why do you think they don't want to see your ID when you enter an airplane now? Because they've already seen it when you're still 3 meters away.

 

If you want to worry about something, worry about this shit, not about the NSA trying to hack your computer. If they do want your computer's contents, they'll break into your house and ask you for the password while you're wearing a black sack over your head and are being beaten with a hose. That's cheaper and faster.

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If it was not unsafe they would not sell a new Windows version or what ?
Of course! Its common knowledge that once Microsoft develops a secure enough OS they'll sell only that one until everybody has it, then the company will just cease to exist, biding farewell to all our computers and money.
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Hi, at least some people agree.

Living up to my profile name is nothing wrong with, makes programming lots better.

 

I dit not know about RFIDs in euro bills, thanks, will microwave them.

 

greetings

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Hold the bills up to the light. A cheap RF chip thin enough to fit between a sheet of "paper" would show up about the size of your thumb nail ... expensive ones would show up about 1/8 the size of a US penny.

 

 Edit: they are in US nootes also [LINK]

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If it was not unsafe they would not sell a new Windows version or what ?

Not to talk about NSA stuff ( Microsoft is American company ).

So for me its clear, cannot be trusted with your stuff.

 

China and every other major country is also trying to read your information and the information of major corporations.

 

The difference between China breaking into Google and the NSA breaking into Petrobras, is that China steals the trade secrets and gives them to their businesses, and the NSA doesn't re-distribute trade secrets. If you're worried about the NSA having what Google already collects on you, then you should be worried about the amount Google collects and focus on cutting of the source of the NSA's information.

 

NSA doesn't steal your source code and give it to your competitors. China and Russia does.

 

Really, Israel is the only one who's had a realistic response to the whole NSA spying on them thing.

They basically said, "Oh, the NSA was spying on us? That's what we expected. We expect every first world nation is, just as they correctly suspect we are." (I'm totally paraphrasing here)

 

Any other reaction is delusional, in my opinion. "Gasp! The spy agency has been spying on people?! Crucify them for doing their job!"

The only real shock here is that they did their job fifty times better than anyone expected (kudos for them, that shows their skill) - and that they were skillful enough to hide it (kudos for them, that shows their skill).

Israel, and dozens of other first world nations, share-in and process loads of NSA-collected information, and share with the NSA loads of information their own spy agencies collected.

 

The other-country outrage of places like Brazil is not that the NSA were spying (because Brazil spies on us also), but that the NSA succeeded, and worst still, without their knowing. It harmed their national pride, and made them feel weak and vulnerable, because they now knew they were exposed, didn't know what was stolen, and didn't know how badly they were exposed or where, but knew it was bad.

 

When it was found out the USA had spied on Israel Prime Minister, it was also revealed by Snowden that Israel had spied on the French President just last year (that is to say, the French discovered it last year, but I don't know how long Israel was spying before being discovered). Many countries, NSA shares some of its spying information with. They aren't ignorant that other countries (other allied countries) are spying. While the USA is sharing loads of spying information with countries like Australia, do you think they aren't sharing similar or different information with France and Germany?

 

When visiting other (friendly, allied) countries, our diplomats are taught to assume they are being spied on. Because they are. They have to go inside their eavesdrop-protection tents that they bring with them, if they want to have a secure conversation. The host nations of our allies like Britain, bug the hotel rooms that they assign to our visiting diplomats.

Heck, someone I know real well went to Cuba on a church mission-trip a few years back, and Cuba wiretapped the hotel rooms just because they were American.

 

The only thing we've gotten out of the Snowden revelations is that, hey, at least one department of our government is actually competent and does their job efficiently and effectively. The media/public/political solution? Shut down one of the few parts of our government that actually works.

 

</rant> *deep breath* *goes back to programming*

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