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caveman rpg - should snow put out your fire?

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Of the (not too many) occasions I've been able to have a fire outside during winter, I don't think I remember a time where it snowed so much that it would put out the fire. If it's too cold, a fire that doesn't have some sort of shelter to keep the heat in isn't going to help much. And if it's particularly windy, you're probably going to be worrying about exposed skin before you worry about your fire going out. I think the question is, do the weather effects impact the cavemen more than the fire such that having a fire outside is pointless?

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If you can actually pick up a basket full of snow (which is something cavemen did to get water - set the snow next to a fire until it melts, get water) dumping that much snow on a fire would put it out.

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10 inch of snow = 1 inches of rain. There is far less water in snow than there is in rain. Unless you have a ridiculous amount of snow happening, no. You have to figure that the rate of snow would have to be greater than the rate at which the fire can melt and then boil the snow, and given the small amount of water in each snow flake that rate is pretty fast.

 

edited for snow to rain correction

Edited by Azaral

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In really cold weather, you might have trouble even getting the fire started with primitive tools.

 

Fire needs three things to happen.

Fuel, temperature, and oxygen. Take away any of them and the fire goes out.

 

Water lowers the temperature, and soaking it means the water will keep the fuel at 100 C until the water evaporates, and 100 is way to low for fire with wood as fuel, so it wont light.

 

Light rain is not a problem for the fire either, just as light snow.

 

As long as the fire can evaporate the water before the temperature drops too much.

 

Both heavy rain and heavy snow will be a problem.

I'd expect putting out a fire is easier (that is, less water needed) with snow then with water because of the lower temperature, and the need to go through two phase changes (solid to liquid and then liquid to gas) and because a layer of snow (like if you dump a bucket) will also cut off the oxygen supply.

Edited by Olof Hedman

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10 inch of snow = 1 inches of rain.

 

Fixed. wink.png

Also varies depending on the type of snow: dusty and dry snow vs more moist snow.

 

 

LOL yeah

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There are special circumstances involved here. No, lots of snow can't put out a fire, but it makes it much more difficult to start, and depending on where you start the fire you could find snow CAN put it out. For example, you build a fire under a pine laden with snow and you could melt enough to start a small avalanche which puts out your fire. People have died for less. I don't know how realistic you want to be, but if you want something amazingly so you should probably start making some contacts in an anthropology forum. Be forewarned however, those perverts might ask the lady cave women to remove her top in summer weather. Leopard-skin bikinis were not in vogue at the time. wink.png

 

On a more serious note I've always been interested in creating or playing something like this and have never been able to find anything at all. I don't currently have any of the necessary knowledge to really help that much, and I'm not asking. I just wanted to say thanks, as I've always had an interest in pre-historic peoples, and anything that tries to do something that hasn't been done (much?) before gets a thumbs up in my opinion.

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