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Let's get it right Windows or MacOSX, Android or IOS?


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Let's keep this professional shall we?

 

So, I have used windows forever, and only recently got a mac. I like IOS more than Android in some cases, and I like Android more than IOS in some cases. I like Windows more than Mac O SX in some cases, and I like Mac OS X more than Windows in some cases.

 

I think Apple likes to retain control of their OS so that someone else doesn't gain control of it. While it may be an irritant to some users, it is a preventive measure against hackers, which serves the legit end user.

 

I like how Apple has standards. I like Apple products because of their thought and consideration and attention to detail, but I don't like Apple as a company. I think IOS7 looks childish, and is designed poorly. Nice features, but poor design.

 

Windows feels more flexible and "mine." Mac OS X feels more sandboxed and streamlined. I suppose this is the same case in the Android v.s. IOS debacle.

 

Windows 8 does sorta suck, so when I am talking about windows I am thinking of Windows XP/ Windows 7.

 

I don't own anything android, I have an ipod touch, ipad, and macbook. I had a great Gateway and now have a cheap Toshiba. 

 

I go for quality before quantity. So I like Bose, Swiss Gear, Apple, Lasko, fruit, long walks on the beach....

 

I am also frugal (as my mom calls it), so I want the good stuff for a cheaper price. I refuse to pay high price for junk. I buy stuff with three criteria:

 

1. Will it return any profit to me?

2. Is it useful?

3. Will it last long?

 

My favorite store is the dollar tree (for some things.)

 

Your turn.  

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Oh! I had some co-workers who did this kind of poll.

 

The had a few weeks where twice a week there was a different question and answer post.  People would walk by and put tally marks on the white board.

 

Later they just put up answers without questions, and people would still put tally marks on the white board.

 

Some of the more popular question-less answers were  "Yes / No", "True / False", "Boy / Girl", and "Ginger / MaryAnn"

 

 

This kind of survey is fun. Make up your own question.  My question that goes with your answers,  "Which one has the smaller market share?"

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(I am also 'frugal' and usually use a weak machines.)

 

I prefer the windows XP. I used android on weak phone

(htc wildfire) it seems slow, I used iphone 3gs years ago 

(it seem faster, but both are too small. As to mac i was trying

macbook but dislike notebooks, weak keybord, screen tied to

keyboard,  i also tried a standalone mac ststion but disliked

its gui shell same as windows one but here i have at least the

total commander

 

(bit joke answer on a bit joke wuestion, well i should get back

to work slowly, I think)

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And what about Linux or Chromium.

 

My best system is my laptop - this runs Puppy Linux with a VirtualBox Windows XP system - works perfectly, I can run all my windows programs from the Virtual Box (and Flash based websites, now that Flash has been discontinued for Linux - will Adobe PLEASE finally kill it off on all platforms and force all web developers to use HTML5 instead)

 

The good thing with my laptop is that Linux keeps XP at bay and keeps it running well.

 

I also have Windows 8 on my main PC - it's ok I suppose - but the only thing that makes it usable is installing StarDock Start8 and putting the start menu back where I want it.

 

As for Android vs IOS - no competition really there for me - Android all the way.  The amount of people I have with my PC repair business coming to me asking to do stuff with their Apple devices and I have to say I'm sorry but Apple won't let you do that.  It really is annoying.

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Android vs iOS?

 

Neither.

 

WinPhone 8 all the way.

Lumia 920 is the best phone I've ever used by a country mile and I couldn't go back to Android now.

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 I used android on weak phone

(htc wildfire) it seems slow,

I think you'll find that on the HTC Wildfire you were probably using Android 2

I've got a HTC Desire S and I upgraded that to Android 4.0.4 and it works a dream, my mum also has a Motorola Xoom on Android 4 and that too works fine.

 

When I first got this phone it was on Android 2 which was awful to use.

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I don't care for Android nor iOS nor Windows Phone. But between the three? Android since it has a (pseudo)Java stack and Objective-C sucks donkey balls.

 

For OS, Linux, Debian testing specifically. That's what I'm using. For desktop environments, Gnome works and its usable if you got enough hardware to run it (ie, not on my atom netbook), but latest Debian .isos come with Xfce installed, and its very nice! Put a E17 GTK2 theme on it. I used LXDE for two years on my netbook, it is "usable" but not very pleasant. Its the only choice if your hardware isn't very good though.

 

Windows 7 is nice through, and maybe I'll get back to it if a nice enough Windows only game appears. For now I'm playing The Dark Mod on this Debian install. I'm not jumping to Wine just yet.

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I like Windows just fine - hated it back in the 90s (as I did classic MacOS), but the NT line has been fine, and improved over the years. I use Linux too, but less so, and prefer Windows overall. Can't see the fuss about 7 vs 8 - if you don't like the new start menu, you can put it back, but others like me do like it. It's nothing to do with touchscreens/tablets though (I hated the start menu in XP, but I didn't say it was unusable with a mouse, I just put it back to be like 2000).

 

Never used OS X much, nor do I have any desire to - I can't stand the Apple UIs I have used, there's no compelling reason for me to do so, and prefer the hardware choices that I get with Windows and Linux, rather than being stuck with one company. From a development point of view, in my spare time I like to write for 90% of the market; Linux has the advantage that although a small userbase, there's also less competition, and also people tend to be more enthusiastic about Open Source projects. OS X doesn't offer any compelling reason for me to develop for.

I use Android now, Symbian before that, and liked both. IOS lacked basic features for years, now it's caught up on those but I still would dislike the locked down nature (e.g., choice of browser, choice of keyboard), I want a smartphone not a feature phone. Again there's the advantage of a much greater range of hardware choice (not just multiple manufacturers this time, but also that there are very few IOS devices to choose). As one key example, my preferred screen sizes are 4.5-5" (for pocket sized) and 7" for larger tablets, whilst the IOS offerings are smaller and larger than these. Hardware seems nothing special overall, although I could "make do" with it, I could also make do with a much cheaper Android or WP device. Plus the IOS evangelists have put me off for life, anyway.

Again from a development point of view, 75-80% of the market is nice, plus I don't want to pay $99/year to write free software for my own device (I can afford it, but I'd rather spend my money on beer and steaks than give it away to a rich company), nor do I want to support a development model where all software must be released through one company, who can and does dictate what gets released (I have no interest in writing "Windows Store" applications, or using Windows RT, for similar reasons).
 

I used android on weak phone

(htc wildfire) it seems slow, I used iphone 3gs years ago 

(it seem faster, but both are too small.

 

Note that the Wildfire was a low end phone when it was released. The nice thing now though is that even the low end Android phones are looking good enough for most people (e.g., Moto G).

 

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I can't get to like OSX. Possibly XCode and iOS development has soured me on the whole OS though.

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I use Ubuntu Unity. I have a Symbian phone on its last legs: Symbian is awful. I'll replace it soon with a phone running Ubuntu Unity.

I also have free access to all Valve games running on Ubuntu, and we're trying to get some Steam games to run on the phone, too.
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I used android on weak phone

(htc wildfire) it seems slow, I used iphone 3gs years ago 

(it seem faster, but both are too small.

 

Note that the Wildfire was a low end phone when it was released. The nice thing now though is that even the low end Android phones are looking good enough for most people (e.g., Moto G).

 

yes i know i build a cheaper phone avaliable and it was worth the prize imo, (as a music player and internet checker if need) it is also lookink ok, but never saw a pleasurable dynamic app on this - all aps (though i was not testing to much ) have something i can call (maybe wrong) 'java feeling' - even 8bit machines was responsive etc and here it is more sluggish (esp input seem to have a delay) (but do not matter,  - maybe im even wrong a bit - i am not writing apps for that (yet, maybe i will but prefer just windows programming)  so i does not doing test and it does not matter a crucial point for me

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Snap, I forgot all about Linux. I stopped using Ubuntu after 10.10, but I also prefer Linux "for some things."
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PS today i saw an advertisment of some touch hand-clock (samsung gear or something) maybe this become popular 

 

(I am not using hand clock for years though if i would plug

phones in it (to listen wast amounts of mp3 stuff etc)  i might have use it - carying the phone is burdensome

 

so maybe we will have the whole spectrum of display-devices from the 2 cm x 2 cm tthrughh the smartphone through the tablets to whole wall sice monitors ;/ future had come ;\

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I only voted for windows because its what I use at home, but I use macs at school and I don't really have any problems with them. For the most part, they both run the software that I use.

But on the android/iOS side, iOS just feels so locked down compared to android. Although that is beneficial for developers, because they are working with only a few different screen sizes and processors, so the app support on iOS is much better than android. 

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A poll for Win vs Max + IOS vs Android...but no option for the Linux OS? Tsk-tsk.

 

Well, my vote goes for Linux and Android.

 

Apple is far too expensive whilst Windows I only use for the odd 3D package such as Silo and for games.   Apart from spending time learning how to use Linux, its performed like a champ.  Most 3D packages I use are now available for Linux, and I don't need Photoshop as GIMP covers that department for me nicely...

 

As for iOS vs Android, I go with Android because it costs far less. There is no way on god's green earth I am going to pay £400 for a tablet when there is an android equivilent for £200. Yes, there are more quality games for iOS than Android, but I can live without the odd exclusive...

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Mac OS X feels more sandboxed and streamlined.

Does it? Are you thinking of anything in particular here?

Apps from the appstore are somewhat sandboxed but the OS itself doesn't feel sandboxed to me.

I don't really see the streamlining and polish either - I occasionally have to restart the dock from the Terminal and struggle to remove apps from Launchpad. Developing with XCode is a very masochistic experience. I also need 3rd party tools like mac-ports to get things done that the OS should probably have in the bag already. Even as a technical user I find the MDI approach to applications-with-windows to be annoying and occasionally confusing. To me it all feels rough around the edges.

Hardware wise, it's a nice trackpad on my Mac Pro. The rest is not much to write home about.

Windows 8 does sorta suck, so when I am talking about windows I am thinking of Windows XP/ Windows 7.

I also use Win8 on a daily basis and I like it. It's basically just Win7 with extra bits (that you are free to ignore should you wish).
The Win8 start screen is actually a nice touch - it's a better fullscreen app-launcher than Apple's Launchpad anyway.

As a development platform: Windows > OSX.
For mobile development: WinPhone > Android > IOS
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As a development platform: Windows > OSX.
For mobile development: WinPhone > Android > IOS

Do you guys know, for Android and iOS development, OSX triumphantly beats Windows?  Since OSX is *nix-based, Android can happily talk to OSX without any extra drivers.  Windows require drivers, and all sorts of miscellanous installations, just to get your device detected.  If you are working on dozens of devices, some of which are pre-released devices where it doesn't have any driver you can download, using *nix-based OSes becomes mandatory.

 

I prefer Linux and Android.  Linux is not even on there.

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Never liked the compatibility for Apple computers. Their libraries of programs were OK back before Windows 2K, but are irrelevant for what I do now-a-days.

 Also ... no option for "other" in the phone category. I do not own a "smart" phone.

 

Windows 7

<NA>

 

Side note: the "mac" logo is of a Red Delicious apple , not a Mackintosh apple.

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I would not pay more than $100 for a phone.

As for OS, Win8.1 is complicated to use and for Mac I'd need osx86...

I even run my Windows apps on Ubuntu nowadays...

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Why is that on all movies you see today every notebook that shows up is a macbook?
Does it really correspond to reality?

A very true observation.
From my pov, it doesn't correspond to reality. Probably mass advertising.
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Why is that on all movies you see today every notebook that shows up is a macbook?
Does it really correspond to reality?

A very true observation.
From my pov, it doesn't correspond to reality. Probably mass advertising.

 

 

not "probably", it is basic product placement, if you see a real-world brand displayed clearly in a movie you can be 100% certain that the owner of the brand paid good money for it and they want maximum exposure then (So if Apple buys product placement in movieX you probably won't see their competitors in it, Samsung, Dell, HTC, Sony etc show up in tons of movies aswell but obviously a big marketing heavy company like Apple will get more exposure than many of its smaller competitors) (And ofcourse, Sony movies(Skyfall, Spiderman for example) tend to be flooded with Vaios and Xperias)

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