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Don't read Atlas Shrugged. Its cool as a story but sadly its jam packed with Manifesto. Its like HPMOR but even more obnoxious.


The 'manifesto' is why I recommended it :cool:

Ayn Rand was a very vocal proponent of capitalism, and the book is very relevant to the question of FOSS software development.
Ayn Rand was a fucking moron. Her understanding of society and economics rivals that of a particularly slow toddler.

And by all means, read her nonsense. It's like the bible; it's only when you actually read that you can recognise how truly awful it is.

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Don't read Atlas Shrugged. Its cool as a story but sadly its jam packed with Manifesto. Its like HPMOR but even more obnoxious.


The 'manifesto' is why I recommended it cool.png

Ayn Rand was a very vocal proponent of capitalism, and the book is very relevant to the question of FOSS software development.
Ayn Rand was a fucking moron. Her understanding of society and economics rivals that of a particularly slow toddler.

And by all means, read her nonsense. It's like the bible; it's only when you actually read that you can recognise how truly awful it is.

 

I can recognize how awful it is without reading it. I don't have to shoot myself to know I don't like that, same goes for bible.

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Ayn Rand was a fucking moron. Her understanding of society and economics rivals that of a particularly slow toddler.

 

You could easily say the same thing about Richard M. Stallman, but many people in the FOSS community seem to dig what he says.

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Ayn Rand was a fucking moron. Her understanding of society and economics rivals that of a particularly slow toddler.

 

You could easily say the same thing about Richard M. Stallman, but many people in the FOSS community seem to dig what he says.

 

Yeah, you haven't done enough research on Rand if you compare them.

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Ayn Rand was a fucking moron. Her understanding of society and economics rivals that of a particularly slow toddler.

 

You could easily say the same thing about Richard M. Stallman, but many people in the FOSS community seem to dig what he says.

 

Yeah, you haven't done enough research on Rand if you compare them.

 

 

I'll admit, RMS is probably a bit further "out there" than Rand is.

 

Both of them espouse(d) ideals that don't really work well in the real world. Both of them oppose(d) a contrary ideal they saw as a growing threat to freedom. One of them peels things off his foot to eat on stage when he gets hungry. Of the two, I think Rand's ideal is worth striving for much more than RMS's. Especially as a game designer, btw: MMO economies tend to be VERY Randian.

 

People who create things should be fairly compensated for them. I've known more than a few people I believe are legitimately worth more than a million dollars a year (I've also met people earning that much who... well let's just say were worth somewhat less, IMHO).

 

Part of the problem for RMS may be due to him locking himself away in an ivory tower of academia never using "non-free" software, which means he has no idea what most of the software written these days does, who it is written for, or how it works. Rand's problem was similar, though from a different cause, seeing the extremes growing in the Warsaw Pact nations and what they were doing to the people there.

 

Even Alan Greenspan [whether you agreed with his particular brand of economics or not, _no one_ understood the American economy the way he did] erred on the side of "humanity" believing that corporations would hold themselves to at least some standard of ethics - this oversight contributed (not caused) to one of the latest banking/wall street bailouts (there have been so many I've lost track).

 

Sometimes you need to see, study, and understand the extremes so you can find the right balance in the middle.

Much of life follows that pattern.

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No, I mean Rand is way more out there than Stallman. Not only will corporations not limit their excesses but individual followers of Rand have shown what will happen if more people subscribe to her ideology.

 

The problem with fair compensation is that there is no such thing. Especially in the arts, the creative careers, politics and so forth. And perhaps most of all in finance and capital based industries. Which includes executives and what not.

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To AltarOfScience. I just have to say that if anything, the theme of the Bible is insight into just how aweful humanity is, rather than how awful God is for judging humanity for their awfulness. The state of the world today is evidence.

But on topic, end of topic. hehe.

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To AltarOfScience. I just have to say that if anything, the theme of the Bible is insight into just how aweful humanity is, rather than how awful God is for judging humanity for their awfulness. The state of the world today is evidence.

But on topic, end of topic. hehe.

Humanity is also aweful at spelling. Well, awful at spelling.

 

As for the bible, your comment has nothing to do with the original bible related comment.

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No, I mean Rand is way more out there than Stallman. Not only will corporations not limit their excesses but individual followers of Rand have shown what will happen if more people subscribe to her ideology.

 

The problem with fair compensation is that there is no such thing. Especially in the arts, the creative careers, politics and so forth. And perhaps most of all in finance and capital based industries. Which includes executives and what not.

 

I knew what you meant. I just disagree with you.

 

You mention art - the best place to see the value of art is at an auction. Nothing sold at auction ever sells for more than it is worth. Executives work for their money. If there were people who could do as good a job as they do and were willing to do it for less money, the market would snatch those people up in a heartbeat.

 

As for RMS, he doesn't believe that creating software is something that should be compensated at all, hence the GPL and the 'Free' software philosophy that goes along with it. He's quick to give an example that he can't 'help' his neighbor with proprietary software, while the reality (at least until recently) was that he legally could. He just had to uninstall the software from his machine and let his neighbor install it on his. When his neighbor is done with it, reverse the process (similar to lending your neighbor your lawnmower - you can't mow your own lawn until you get the mower back). Of course he ignores how his model actively hurts the developer (somebody's neighbor) trying to make a living selling software, as well.

 

He's also very actively anti-proprietary software: He wants to hurt proprietary developers as much as he can (again, hence the 'viral' nature of the GPL and his calls for people to stop using the LGPL for libraries). It isn't enough for Free software to be an option - all software should conform to his ideals.

 

I could go on and on but to cut it short: the man is a communist at heart who lost touch with the 'real world' decades ago.

That's not to say he hasn't done good things, but he represents one 'extreme' of the software development spectrum.

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for anyone who does not know yet, this is a critical letter from Bill Gates before software was a subject to copyright and was "free to edit/use" comodity in coding community of that decade (the letter also shows reduced rethorical skills of Bill )

 

http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html

 

I understand we need to make a living, but there is no need to be too dogmatic about it and hate moding comunities apriori or such stuff

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