Hello again, I have an idea for a samurai/ninja game and I thought I might run it by you really quick, since you are people of knowledge and I am just a beginner.

It is called Honshu, War in the Empire and the game would center around several game play aspects. One would be strategy, where a player would take part in major battles, where he would lead a contingent of soldiers against an opposing force as part of the larger army. The second aspect would be a general fighting aspect, where a player would fight in melee battles against enemy attackers. And the all around aspect of gameplay would be roleplaying where the player would go on quests and accomplish tasks for his lord or the shogun. The player will be able to choose between three different types of characters. First is the samurai, the loyal warrior who would do anything for his lord and lives a life based around honor and loyalty, following the code of Bushido. The second type of character is the ninja, a deadly assassin, a stealthy spy, and a manwho follows the orders of his ninja family, and not the Shogun or a lord. The last type of character is the ronin samurai, who's primary purpose is to engage in melee battles with fellow ronin to test his skills, and every so often, he sells his services to a lord. Now, the character that the player chooses to play will make a huge difference on what he can do in the game. The samurai can engage in melee battles, quests, and strategic battles, but he is bound to only one lord, and cannot break that bond. A ninja can engage in melee battles and quests, but cannot engage in strategic battles. The Ronin can do quests, melee battles but is unlikely to engage in strategic battles unless he sells his services for that purpose.

The world will resemble ancient Japan, probably during the Sengoku, or warring states era, but it will not be exactly as Japan was, as all the lords and the shogun will be fictional characters. The primary story will center around seven lords and their leader, the shogun, but some lords are for the shogun and others are plotting against the shogun. When the player chooses to play a samurai, they will have to choose a lord to serve, and they will know which side their lord is on, which will probably influence their choice. A ninja and a ronin do not have to choose a lord to serve as they go forward. A ronin chooses to serve, or even if he wants to serve while he wanders through the land. Ninja are spies and assassins, and will do whatever their bosses tell them to and work for whoever has hired them. As the game moves forward, the world will change gradually as the powers within the game change. A lord may be defeated, meaning that his house is destroyed and all of his samurai become ronin. New powers might arise as things move forward, a lord's son may take over his place if he dies.

Anyway, the point of the game is not just to be a game, but to perhaps demystify these characters of the samurai/ninja/ronin a bit so the game would also be a learning tool. I find the subject especially interesting, as it was the focus of my senior thesis, and I am just hoping that other people would find it interesting as well. Anyway, any feedback would be wonderful. I would love to make this an mmo if possible, but it would be a massive undertaking, and as a beginner, as you know from my previous post, it might not be in my means right now. Anyway, please let me know what you think. Thank you so much!!

Sounds kinda like Inindo: Way of the Ninja but with more of a sandbox style of play to it. I've had that game in the back of my mind as something to aim for one day for so long now (has it really been two decades?). The studio that made that game had a lot of experience making historical strategy warfare games and figured out how to combine that with a typical story based RPG. Essentially your character runs around Japan doing whatever and then at the end of the month the game switched to a mode that resolved the strategic moves between the Daimyos. If you were ninvolved in a battle, you had to be at the appropriate castle at the end of the month.

I think Facehead had some good advice, look at making games or projects that focus on the individual elements of the game you have in mind. Each of these elements will pose challenges to sort out on their own but hopefully you'll feel as though you're working towards the grander goal and remain motivated.

So question: Would this again be a good idea for a single player game with some multi-player aspects? Something like a Halo or Call of Duty or something like that? Or would it just be best to make something like a single player that is like Tenchu and Way of the Samurai combined? Both of those games have a mission based part role playing aspect to them. Or it could also take on a Fable type life. The only thing would be, based on what character the player decides to play, the missions and quests would be slightly different. Am I hitting on something a bit more viable now? Please, give me as much advice as you can. For me some of it is hard to hear, but it is helpful in understanding the scope of what I can do. So please, anything, any thoughts at all. Now that I think about it, it would make an awesome single player game in the console arena. Please let me know if I am now headed in the right direction. You have my thanks!!

Ah, okay Lorenzo and Facehead, that is very helpful. What you are trying to say, I believe, is keep things as simple as possible without sacrificing the fun factor, but getting what I want, in some part, as well. So something for PC would be good to start out with and something with a simple engine that would be easier to program. I now understand what you are saying, that the original idea was way too ambitious and the following ideas were only slightly less. I think you are right however and that if I am going to do this myself, or even with a small team, it might be easier to do it as a simple single player than try killing myself with something more extravagant. Not only that, but I simply don't have the time. I think that happens to every game hobbyist, but still, I only have a set amount of time to work on this and anything too elaborate would probably be a mistake on my part. Anyway, thank you. Any other suggestions or comments would be useful, so keep it going. Anybody has anything else to say, I will listen gladly!!

There is some god awful advice in this thread.

First about make the game focused on a small aspect and not mixing genres, that's stupid advice.

A budget game's biggest problem is content so you absolutely should try to make as much procedural content and simulations as you can because a pure RPG is absolutely a hog for content.

If your game is just another strategy game or just another rpg what is the point? how is it going to compete with the other indie titles that may have a better budget?

If your game is not interesting, if your ideas are not BOLD why even bother? experience? just shove it.

No. Something like Fable is even more horribly expensive to make than a "standard" action-adventure game, and more difficult because it's more sophisticated. More mechanisms can go wrong, requiring more testing and more iterations, and it's very likely that more assets would be wasted on optional and mutually exclusive levels instead of used once in mandatory levels.

Far from it, a single developer can come up and iterate sophisticated mechanics because it's their vision and nothing is standing in the way.

It is content that is the problem not mechanics so you should absolutely minimize content and maximize mechanics, it is your only advantage as an indie.

As for the idea itself.

MMO out of the question.

If you are not going to focus exclusively on multiplayer, forget about multiplayer.

If you are not a master 3d modeler and animator and know how to create procedural animation, forget about 3d.

Try to think about what differentiates you from Mount and Blade.

Focus on good combat mechanics.

Try to make your player an outlier and try to make all your RPG action and quests affect directly or tangentially the strategic level but never give player strategic command( strategy general in other games). If you give the player an army make it independent and focus on unconventional tactics like attack supplies, taking out generals,sabotage,betrayals or surgical strikes for capturing high value targets.

The strategic level should be mostly AI vs AI so you can abstract it somewhat, if you do not give the player direct command try to keep the AI balanced and slow so as one side no matter how powerful should not roll over the opposition immediately.

The player should be a spanner in the works of the strategic level, he is an agent of the lord that is cunning and unpredictable as the story goes, the classes have their advantages and ways but the outcome should be the same.

For example a samurai commander may take out an enemy commander through a cunning trap, while a ninja would sneak and attack directly. A samurai might do raids on the enemy while an ninja might incite riots in cities with both outcomes affecting the economy. A ronin can be a bit of both.

But the main conflict of the player should be on an RPG level, there should be other enemy agents that do the same thing and its your job to uncover information and protect against other agents. The strategic level is only the "story".

Also politics and diplomacy and logistic should have a real presence and be affected by the player, so for example factions can send ambassadors to other factions and a ninja could incite a scandal on that ambassador and blame it on the hosting faction.