ShadowFlar3, on 28 Jul 2014 - 7:29 PM, said:
What with the Crossbones+ system being kind of fuzzy (is this still the latest on the matter?) I'd figure maybe something else...
as far as i'm aware this is still the status, but truthfully i suspect if you pm any mod saying you'd like to contribute to the forum by being a cross-bone member, they'd gladly make you into one.How is begging for a decorative title after your name "contributing"?
ShadowFlar3, on 28 Jul 2014 - 7:29 PM, said:
-> it's kind of like moderating, you view it and approve or not for publishing and only moderators see the posts...
ShadowFlar3, on 28 Jul 2014 - 7:29 PM, said:
-> beginner posts would be more visible for experienced users and less visible to beginners who'd think "nobody seems to ask which language I should use!" since they get moderated out.
I disagree, in no way would it be moderating, in my opinion all the information should still be publicly visible, it'd just be emplacing a potential delay on the poster."I disagree your view posted hours ago accurately describes this system I just made up and typed in this very same post" No, quite surprisingly I was commenting on OPs proposition that actually existed by the time I posted.
ShadowFlar3, on 28 Jul 2014 - 7:29 PM, said:
-> the moderators are actually pretty much all the site frequenters (except who don't want to participate) so really it'd be like the beginners were the only people who didn't see it.
I disagree with the idea that the moderators are the only site frequenters. plenty of people lurk this site daily, and many of us sit in chat regularly.I didn't state that frequenters were explicitly moderators. By moderators I was referring to OPs mentoring system moderators, which would have been obvious if you read my previous sentences that you quoted just above.
ShadowFlar3, on 28 Jul 2014 - 7:29 PM, said:
-> it's like an own subforum for beginner questions that is only visible to experienced users before they're published in the beginner area
a sub-forum might be a decent way for this to workWow, look at you! Despite all the stumbling and getting lost you still arrive where I was leading you. We have the beginners-subforum already where the "problem" is more or less contained with adequate results/effort ratio.
You're completely missing the point of the whole system.
You're suggesting:
- make current "for beginners" subforum only visible to some group of "sub-moderators" (I'm not going to use the word mentor, I don't find it accurate in the system you describe) making it some kind of "secret forum"
- make a new "for proper beginners" subforum that is identical to the above closed subforum where proper posts are moved
- beginners only see the good posts on the "for proper beginners" subforum and aren't exposed to the trash their kind is responsible of (that they really need to see)
- most people opt to become "sub-moderators" so they can see and act on the posts on the exciting "secret forum"! and will be exposed to the trash. Everybody wants to see them and nobody wants to try to answer them.
=> duplicate beginner forums, new fuzzy sub-moderator group to manage and for what? So that beginners will be spared from the unwanted content while only the most experienced selected few carry the burden to single handedly answer every iteration of spam type posts by PM. Because the noobs can't even see that certain stuff like programming language gets asked a lot they will ask it a lot more. Who's up?
1) Crossbones+ let's you peer review articles. Apparently you don't know how the forum works.
2) Well then redact your comment about the system.
3) There's already the resources for it. Your argument is completely void because you act like if we don't make all the new posts visible, all the previous posts will disappear.
4) No, we don't. The whole point is that the problem isn't adequately contained.
5) Ok, wait. Go back, re-read the posts. Like I said, you've completely, completely missed the point. You're now just making baseless assumptions.
Let's break this down, because it's obvious you're having a little trouble understanding what I'm proposing:
First of all, the idea is that only people who are contributors / who have good reputation / who are good contributing members to the forum can opt-in. It's not a free-for-all where literally anyone can opt-in. And it's not a "sub-forum". When a new user makes a post, it gets sent to one of the "mentors", they can approve it or not, and if they don't they can send the new member a message helping them out. If the mentor doesn't approve / disapprove of it within twenty-four hours, it gets sent to another mentor.
Many other forums have this system for different reasons. Experienced forum members review "new" members posts and make sure they follow the rules. I suggest doing this, but also having the mentors remove posts which are essentially "what language should I use?" threads, and direct the new members to helpful resources. There would be no "secret forum".
Almost everything you say is completely baseless hyperbole specifically designed to make my argument look bad. You either have serious reading comprehension problems, or you're doing it on purpose. Considering that I know you're very intelligent (from reading your previous posts), I assume that you're doing it because you think it will make my argument look bad. In reality, it's just making your argument look even worse.
