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The Week of awesome II! - The second annual unofficial gamedev competition!

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I will do visual and audio assets for a team.

 

I'm a programmer but I don't want to participate in that capacity. I'm not the greatest artist but .. you can see my work at the links below:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=latch

https://www.youtube.com/user/lordlatch/videos

 

I also don't want to be in charge.

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I have a question about one of the rules:

 

According to the rules page linked to in the first post, "... you may use code, art, and audio that you or others may have made in the past (the explicit limitation is that you may not use existing game logic (i.e. you may use libraries and engines, but you still have to actually make the game during the 7 day period))".

 

My question then is this: where does boundary lie between "code that I made in the past" and "game logic"? For example, if I find that I want my entry to have an inventory, would it be acceptable for me to rip out and retrofit the inventory system (specifically, it stores items, displays them in a grid, and allows rearrangement and selection of them) from another game of mine? What about my physics character controller?

 

The extremes seem fairly clear: I would presumably not be allowed to use, say, an RPG combat mechanic that I had previously created, and would be allowed to use the Bullet physics engine. It's the cases in between that I'm uncertain about.

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I have a question about one of the rules:
 
According to the rules page linked to in the first post, "... you may use code, art, and audio that you or others may have made in the past (the explicit limitation is that you may not use existing game logic (i.e. you may use libraries and engines, but you still have to actually make the game during the 7 day period))".
 
My question then is this: where does boundary lie between "code that I made in the past" and "game logic"? For example, if I find that I want my entry to have an inventory, would it be acceptable for me to rip out and retrofit the inventory system (specifically, it stores items, displays them in a grid, and allows rearrangement and selection of them) from another game of mine? What about my physics character controller?
 
The extremes seem fairly clear: I would presumably not be allowed to use, say, an RPG combat mechanic that I had previously created, and would be allowed to use the Bullet physics engine. It's the cases in between that I'm uncertain about.


I apologize about my delay in response, this weekend was a bit hectic and i didn't have much time to check up and compose an appropriate response.

The entire idea of that rule is to allow frameworks/api's/engines/graphical/musical assets that already exist to be reused, this is partly because it makes things easier when you only have a week to work on the game, but it's also because honestly we have no way to say you didn't build that super amazing thing in a week. we have no way of knowing if you really only keep yourself to a 3 man team, or forcing people to only work on their submission in that 7 day period. An skilled artist could potentially find some obscure open source game and reskin it to match our theme if they really wanted to. at the end of the day, the idea is to make the game logic itself entirely from scratch. However most of these rules we can't actually ensure aren't being broken, it's the spirit of the competition that we hope will prevent people from breaking any of the rules. so, if you think that an inventory system is too close to being gameplay logic, then re-write it from scratch, or you can consider it generic enough to be apart of an engine and/or framework library. honestly each person is going to have to use their own best judgment on what constitutes breaking one of the rules of the competition, and where they draw that line. Edited by slicer4ever

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I have a question about one of the rules:

 

According to the rules page linked to in the first post, "... you may use code, art, and audio that you or others may have made in the past (the explicit limitation is that you may not use existing game logic (i.e. you may use libraries and engines, but you still have to actually make the game during the 7 day period))".

 

My question then is this: where does boundary lie between "code that I made in the past" and "game logic"? For example, if I find that I want my entry to have an inventory, would it be acceptable for me to rip out and retrofit the inventory system (specifically, it stores items, displays them in a grid, and allows rearrangement and selection of them) from another game of mine? What about my physics character controller?

 

The extremes seem fairly clear: I would presumably not be allowed to use, say, an RPG combat mechanic that I had previously created, and would be allowed to use the Bullet physics engine. It's the cases in between that I'm uncertain about.

 

Disclaimer: I am not a judge so it doesn't really matter what I think. This is just an opinion.

 

An inventory system is walking a fine line. If the inventory is complex and/or an important part of the gameplay then it must be gameplay logic, as I see it. And therefore ought to be written during the week. Personally I have a hard time imagining an inventory system that is not a first-class gameplay element.

 

A physics character controller, on the other hand, I think is okay - as long as it's your traditional sliding bubble with maybe some special handling for slopes and stairs. Such things are generic and reusable. A different choice of physics framework or use of a high-level engine and you may have even been provided with one to start with. 

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just a question, how are the prizes given ?

 

and also, what is the TimeZone for the game beginning and ending ?

 

is it GMT -4 for this year as well ?

 

@slicer4ever  Me(programmer) and my friend, Robert(3d artist). We are looking for a sound engineer.

 

This is my group

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Ill just place my thoughts and let people think what they will!

 

1) Core engine elements such as a GUI/Physics/Particles/Entity Handling/Animation, those are things that should be allowed to work on. That said, if they are not than you can imagine most of the stuff that will show up will be kiddy games or arcade remakes. If you are allowed to use UE4 or Unity than what is the difference from using that vs having a homebrew custom engine?

 

2) Honor is going to play a huge role in this. The only think keeping you honest is yourself. The other way we can track "Progress" is by watching what happens via their livestreams, post updates, content updates, and journal entries. Somebody who just throws something together "magically" would not be able to provide an accurate timeline (unless they are skilled at gundecking (navy term))

 

Just my thoughts, take them for what they are worth (which is not much since I am just another dude in the competition with you all)

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I may be a little late to the party but I would like to enter the competition. This is really very exciting for me.I have just started as a game developer and would love some feedback and to get my game in front of other people who makes games. I will be entering by the name Aletheia Game Studio.

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Regarding my "code-reuse" question, thank you all for your responses. happy.png
 
Indeed, I asked in order to keep the spirit of the rules: in order to hold to the spirit of something, it helps to understand that spirit.

 

so, if you think that an inventory system is too close to being gameplay logic, then re-write it from scratch, or you can consider it generic enough to be apart of an engine and/or framework library.

I'm inclined to lean towards re-use, actually: it's my standard practice to rip out useful parts of previous projects and reuse them, modified as called for; in some cases these develop into properly reusable modules. Indeed, this is perhaps part of the cause of my uncertainty: I find that most elements that aren't very specific to a given game are potentially reusable to some degree.

 

For example, I've been tinkering with a "pencil illustration" shader of late; I doubt that I'd have much difficulty in finding a place for it somewhere, despite it being a fairly specific aesthetic.
 
 

I apologize about my delay in response, this weekend was a bit hectic and i didn't have much time to check up and compose an appropriate response.

Not to worry: busy times come up, and it was hardly a long wait. happy.png
 
 

An inventory system is walking a fine line. If the inventory is complex and/or an important part of the gameplay then it must be gameplay logic, as I see it. And therefore ought to be written during the week. Personally I have a hard time imagining an inventory system that is not a first-class gameplay element.

A physics character controller, on the other hand, I think is okay - as long as it's your traditional sliding bubble with maybe some special handling for slopes and stairs.

 
From my perspective, either could be rather generic and not part of the core gameplay, or rather specialised and a focal gameplay element.

For examples: A very generic character controller could be used in a great many games, from shooters through RPGs and adventure games. Similarly, a simple inventory system could be used interchangeably by any of those (the latter two genres especially). On the other hand, the character controller for a game like Assassin's creed is probably fairly central to the gameplay, and has features specific to that gameplay, while an investigative mystery adventure game might use its inventory extensively, allowing the player to closely examine, combine and draw connections about various objects and clues. (And naturally, there are cases in-between: my current character controller has at least one feature that I'd probably remove for a shooter in the vein of Serious Sam, for example.)

 

 

Honor is going to play a huge role in this. The only think keeping you honest is yourself. The other way we can track "Progress" is by watching what happens via their livestreams, post updates, content updates, and journal entries.

 

Actually, that might be part of the answer itself: perhaps, in my first post in my project thread/journal/whatever, I should simply declare what components I'm reusing.

 

On another topic: So, can I take it that we're not starting in the first week of September, then? :P

 

Wait... wait... You've all started, and simply haven't told me, haven't you? ;P

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just a question, how are the prizes given ?

"All money payments well be done via paypal, if paypal is not possible we will attempt to reach an agreement with something like a steam gift card, or w/e can make it work for you. cash payment will be divided among members in a similar way as last year" - first post in this thread (it's been updated)

 

Don't ask me what happened last year, I don't know. happy.png 
 

and also, what is the TimeZone for the game beginning and ending ?
 
is it GMT -4 for this year as well ?

GMT-5, according to the now-updated first post in this thread.
 

On another topic: So, can I take it that we're not starting in the first week of September, then? tongue.png

 
"midnight September 22nd to midnight September 29th. all times are EST GMT -5."  - first post in this thread (it's been updated)

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"midnight September 22nd to midnight September 29th. all times are EST GMT -5." - first post in this thread (it's been updated)

Ah, I hadn't seen the update--thank you for pointing it out! happy.png

 

[edit] Just to double-check: the midnights are, as seems to have been the case in the previous competition, the start of the stated days, not the end: that is, "midnight September 29th" is one hour before "1am September 29th", not "1am September 30th"--is that correct?

Edited by Thaumaturge

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[edit] Just to double-check: the midnights are, as seems to have been the case in the previous competition, the start of the stated days, not the end: that is, "midnight September 29th" is one hour before "1am September 29th", not "1am September 30th"--is that correct?

Correct. Edited by slicer4ever

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just a question, how are the prizes given ?

"All money payments well be done via paypal, if paypal is not possible we will attempt to reach an agreement with something like a steam gift card, or w/e can make it work for you. cash payment will be divided among members in a similar way as last year" - first post in this thread (it's been updated)

 

Don't ask me what happened last year, I don't know. happy.png 
 

and also, what is the TimeZone for the game beginning and ending ?
 
is it GMT -4 for this year as well ?

GMT-5, according to the now-updated first post in this thread.
 

On another topic: So, can I take it that we're not starting in the first week of September, then? tongue.png

 
"midnight September 22nd to midnight September 29th. all times are EST GMT -5."  - first post in this thread (it's been updated)

 

 

 

thanks :) Last year there was no PayPal :P

 

I didn't see the updated post

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I checke out last year games, i got some questions, can we buy 3d models from stores when making a the game ? like a character/weapon and so ?

 

Yes I believe so, see the rules:

 

"You may use any library, game engine, tools, art, or audio to develop the game, provided you have the appropriate license to do so (if licensing is required for what you use)"

 

Last year I recall it took me a while to find a free font (that I liked) with a suitable license. Specifically we need to be able to redistribute these assets.

Probably (but read the fine print!) if you are buying a 3d model you are paying to redistribute it as part of a commerical (or otherwise) software product, so you would be fine.

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I checke out last year games, i got some questions, can we buy 3d models from stores when making a the game ? like a character/weapon and so ?

 

Yes I believe so, see the rules:

 

"You may use any library, game engine, tools, art, or audio to develop the game, provided you have the appropriate license to do so (if licensing is required for what you use)"

 

Last year I recall it took me a while to find a free font (that I liked) with a suitable license. Specifically we need to be able to redistribute these assets.

Probably (but read the fine print!) if you are buying a 3d model you are paying to redistribute it as part of a commerical (or otherwise) software product, so you would be fine.

 

 

The rules said that they don't need any of source code/assets, so till I am able to add it to my commercial games the license it good to be used :D

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Aargh, why is it not the 22nd yet?! I keep wanting to work on or think about this, but the competition hasn't started! T-T

 

[edit] I originally had the 29th up there--I blame tiredness--but I'm glad that it's not the 29th--I'd have missed the competition completely!

Edited by Thaumaturge

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@slicer4ever  Me(programmer) and my friend, Robert(3d artist). We are looking for a sound engineer.
 
This is my group


as SotL has answered your other questions, i'll just comment that it's great to hear you've got a team together, i'll update the first post so others will know what your looking for. also, do you happen to have a team name? I'd love to have team names going on!
 
 

I may be a little late to the party but I would like to enter the competition. This is really very exciting for me.I have just started as a game developer and would love some feedback and to get my game in front of other people who makes games. I will be entering by the name Aletheia Game Studio.

This could be fun depending on the theme of the game.  I have no idea what I might build but I might give it a go.


Great to hear guys!
 
 

To avoid any ambiguity, I'd suggest changing times to being 00:00:01 and 23:59:59, instead of using "midnight".


good call, I'll reflect this in the fist post.
 
 

I checke out last year games, i got some questions, can we buy 3d models from stores when making a the game ? like a character/weapon and so ?


buying 3d models is fine so long as you have the proper permissions to distribute them(i'm assuming you will since you've paid for them).
 
 

I've gained a teammate Kirk.Roerig, so I'd like to change to a team name of "Team OPifex".

Great to hear mate, and love the team name, i'll update the first post with this!
 

Aargh, why is it not the 22nd yet?! I keep wanting to work on or think about this, but the competition hasn't started! T-T
 
[edit] I originally had the 29th up there--I blame tiredness--but I'm glad that it's not the 29th--I'd have missed the competition completely!


it's coming, soon the time will be upon us=-P!

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Lastly, we've managed to support linux as well!, however only 3 judges have it available, so i'd still recommend having a windows port of your game if possible, but if that adds to much excess to your time then we'll do our best to ensure 3 judges are able to play your game! Edited by slicer4ever

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