Well as everyone knows you are supposed to make C# games in XNA or Unity. But for me i find it 10x more interesting doing it with the c# framework by itself. Is this bad or will the game be possible without the fancy enxtensions?

Doing it all yourself is not bad. It's just a lot more work and a lot harder, as you have to do everything that the engine does for you otherwise.

Thanks! For me im not sure why but i find it easier o_O

Using the C# language and the .NET Framework you are still leveraging tools made by others. You're just leveraging different tools.

Professional studios rely on all kinds of libraries. There is generally no need to rewrite everything yourself. In the 1980s you needed to write your own graphics drivers for every card, your own audio systems that wrote directly to the memory locations and IO ports of the different audio cards. Over time more middleware came out where you could hit a generic driver for many different audio cards, or VESA drivers for a bunch of video cards. These days we hit systems like OpenGL or DirectX for graphics, we use systems like WWise or FMod for audio. And that can mean relying on major engines like Unity or Unreal as well.

There is nothing inherently wrong with doing it all yourself. You could even write your game entirely in machine code if you felt the urge. But doing so is directly at odds with productivity.

You can take advantage of systems that would take thousands of hours, tens of thousands of hours, or even millions of hours for you to develop on your own. And that is exactly why most groups do it.

I don't really understand what you mean by the "C# framework" and you can't really put XNA and Unity in the same category. XNA is/was a framework while Unity is an entire ecosystem.

If you want a useful answer you will have to tell us what you're aiming for.

Im aiming for c# without the game extensions like XNA or Unity. Just plain c# and graphics, such as

e.Graphics.DrawRectangle(new Pen(Color.Black), daleTalkRadius);

I don't really understand what you mean by the "C# framework" and you can't really put XNA and Unity in the same category. XNA is/was a framework while Unity is an entire ecosystem.

If you want a useful answer you will have to tell us what you're aiming for.

Unity is a skeleton. You're still doing most of the work if you want to make something interesting.

But... yeah. Programming the entire thing from scratch with C# is a lot harder than you really think it is... but if you want access to source, I suggest taking a look at Paradox Engine.

It's entirely built in C# and is open source.

Has PBR, and is making some very decent progress. Not sure if it has a working terrain system however... but you can implement that yourself.

I don't really understand what you mean by the "C# framework" and you can't really put XNA and Unity in the same category. XNA is/was a framework while Unity is an entire ecosystem.

If you want a useful answer you will have to tell us what you're aiming for.

Im aiming for c# without the game extensions like XNA or Unity. Just plain c# and graphics, such as

e.Graphics.DrawRectangle(new Pen(Color.Black), daleTalkRadius);

daleTalkRadius.Location = new Point(dalex - 100, daley - 70);

e.Graphics.FillRectangle(new SolidBrush(Color.PeachPuff), entityDale);

e.Graphics.FillRectangle(new SolidBrush(Color.PeachPuff), entityThief);

entityDale.Location = new Point(dalex, daley);

entityThief.Location = new Point(thiefwalkx, thiefwalky);

If you don't want XNA there are couple of wrappers for OpenGL in C# (OpenTK is one of them) and wrappers for DirectX.

In the end, every framework have to be installed on the system for the game to work,

either if it's XNA, Unity, or plain GDI, the difference is when you install it.

Some come built-in with Windows, others have to be installed.