how to follow up on copyrights/patents

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12 comments, last by DerekL 8 years, 6 months ago

If you can't find a word in combination with either TM or ©, it's not copyrighted (99.9% certain), and if your symbol doesn't come up in "similar images", it's not taken either (~80% certain). Copyright and Trade Mark are of course entirely different things, but practically speaking, from your point of view, it's the same stuff. You will be in trouble if you use one or the other without permission.

(tm) is a warning, advertising that you are claiming the name/logo as a trademark... but it's not required. Any name/logo that's used to trade a product is automatically a trademark, and you can choose to sue others for trademark infringement if they use similar names/logos.
Same with (c) -- it's just a warning, not a requirement.

When I worked at a big corporate multi-national, we had a change of policy where we decided to remove all (tm) symbols from our products and marketing materials. The idea behind this policy is that it gave us greater scope to sue other people -- we could decide later on whether we thought something was a trademark or not, whereas in the old policy of (tm)-tagging, we had to decide up-front.

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™ is a warning, advertising that you are claiming the name/logo as a trademark... but it's not required. Any name/logo that's used to trade a product is automatically a trademark, and you can choose to sue others for trademark infringement if they use similar names/logos.
Same with © -- it's just a warning, not a requirement.
That's right, but I yet have to encounter a registered trademark or trademark-by-use or a copyrighted work which doesn't one of those prominently displayed. Heck, most people and businesses even write stuff like "This software works for Microsoft (TM) Windows(TM)" despite not being related to either one or the owning company in any way.

Hence I think that saying you're "99.9% good" is a fair bet. Of course it's not 100% certain (and image search, while having improved a lot, is still far from perfect, so I gave it rather 80% than 99% because you might actually not find an image mark although it's on the web).

When I worked at a big corporate multi-national, we had a change of policy where we decided to remove all ™ symbols from our products and marketing materials. The idea behind this policy is that it gave us greater scope to sue other people -- we could decide later on whether we thought something was a trademark or not, whereas in the old policy of ™-tagging, we had to decide up-front.
That's some malice. I'm surprised to hear that anyone but a patent troll would attempt such measures at all. Did this actually work (other than for blackmailing indie competitors)? Did you ever successfully go to court with such a thing?

I would be surprised if that worked. Normally there would have to be some kind of "product identity" relating to a word, which you would have to demonstrate. You cannot just sue someone for saying "book" or "table" or "big book".

(Then again the Tolkien consortium sued TSR over "hobbit" which is an English word that demonstrably existed over a hundred years before Tolkien was born... but I guess they could only because TSR's hobbits were a 100% rip-off based on the characters in the books, by their appearance, abilities, etc)

Sure enough, if someone makes a cell phone and calls it iPhone, then that's a trademark whether they write (TM) or not. But that's a hugely different (and obvious) thing.

I was more thinking along the lines if you make, say, a virus scanner, and you want to market a super secret new scan method which is just as bad as any other ("deep scan", "bulletproof detection" or "cloud scan" or "nuclear scan"). I am pretty sure that nobody would try to, or even could sue you (well... successfully, you can sue anyone for anything in the US) for using "deep scan", unless they market that exact combination of words as product identity. And for that, it needs to be prominently visible in some way. Just having said a word once or twice in your life doesn't grant you any rights (that would mean you have a trade mark on the entire language).

If you enter "deep scan" into Google... (let's see)... surprise. Turns out that's a mark owned by Sega for an old Atari game. I really half-expected to find Symantec's or Kaspersky's site in the search results...

I think behance and fontsquirrel are two good sources for finding commercially available fonts. Other than that, simply don't use a font you can't trace back to verify.

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Well, download them from Font Squirrel, the fonts there have verified, clear, understandable free ( = no charge) licenses.


Well, I just downloaded one test font I liked from there and the included 'license' was from Font Squirrel itself saying they honestly believe the font to be abandoned with author unknown. I don't really see how that's any better than for example DaFont and picking only '100% free' fonts from there. At least there I could immediately see the author (or at least uploader) which usually seems to contain link to a homepage with more information.

they honestly believe the font to be abandoned with author unknown
Huh, that's certainly different from what it was like when I last downloaded fonts from them. Used to be that they had mostly SIL Open Font license, with some occasional CC (and author known, of course).

Well yeah, "honestly believe" is not worth a lot... sad.png

A bit off-topic but does anyone know if Segoe UI family can be used for printing or vector/raster works?

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Have you looked at google web fonts?

A bit off-topic but does anyone know if Segoe UI family can be used for printing or vector/raster works?

I would be careful with this one since Microsoft is officially using that font and has tried filing the font's appearance as industrial design patent. Unsuccessfully as it happens, since Linotype claims that it is a plagiate of a font under a design patent owned by them (and the court agreed).

So... it seem like that particular one may not be the best choice if trouble is to be avoided.

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