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4X in space here you are the Emperor. I want to avoid all the dynasty/family things also I wanted the Emperor to be almost immortal (so no replacement mid game, Emperor=the player). So, I have thought of a society which got disappointed by the other government forms and decided to engineer the Emperor. They selected the best genes of their race and they cloned an Emperor to rule them all.

 

How to call such government form? "Genetic monarchy"?

 

I'm also interested in a possible backstory for this society (why they decided to do it, how they do the cloning, who is responsible, is there some genetic board which do the cloning, what happens when the emperor dies, etc). Not necessarily to dump all this info on the player but so I know how it works.

Note, you can modify the above or stray from it, I'm interetsted more in the overall direction.

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If I'm not mistaken, a "Technocrat" can be considered someone who is in a political position due to their knowledge. Scanning through Wikipedia it mentions a "Meritocracy" where the most qualified are in charge. If an individual was genetically engineered from the best leaders society had to offer, it'd stand to reason that individual would be at least perceived as the most qualified possible so in effect would be Lead Technocrat for Life in the Great Meritocracy.

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A single head of government who wields sovereignty and rules for life? That's pretty much the textbook definition of a monarchy. Even if that life is, for all intents and purposes, eternal.

 

If you wish to be more specific, you could always call it a "clonal monarchy" (since successive monarchs are clones of one another) or an "engineered monarchy" (since the society deliberately chose to structure themselves thus and engineered the monarch specifically to rule them).

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Out of curiosity if a society did engineer someone to rule over them like this would they engineer someone selfless who serves only society or might that ruler have some necessary independent thought and maybe also serve themselves?

Interesting thought for game storyline...

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Aren't all classic monarchies genetic?
The difference is there is a family. Also the genetic similarity is not the most important factor but the birthright. If there was another person that had more "royal genes" it would not mater ih he/she had no birthright and be descendant of a royalty, besides there is no such thing as genetic template in royalty. Genetics there is more like a side effect not the primary right to rule.

 


"Meritocracy" where the most qualified are in charge
What if there is a problem with cloning trechnology and the person is not the most fit to rule? Besides, who decides what qualifies as the most fit?

As I see it, they just combine the best genes, enchance brain activity at the early stage, pump nanobots to the immune system and then pray it will work.

 


"clonal monarchy" (since successive monarchs are clones of one another) or an "engineered monarchy"
Yeah, something along those lines...

 

Note that the game uses "Empire" as the overall name of the player's domain (but the specific governemnt type of the empire could be "clonal monarchy" I suppose). Also the player is reffered as the Emperor (not monarch or king). Also probably I will be using "royalty" word too (like "royal cloning chambers") since it fits.

 


Out of curiosity if a society did engineer someone to rule over them like this would they engineer someone selfless who serves only society or might that ruler have some necessary independent thought and maybe also serve themselves?
Too kind of a ruler would bring doom to the empire. A certain level of cruelty is required. I suppose they might want to adjust these based on situation (if there is a war coming a more cruel rule might be preffered to a kind one designed for peace time), but then, since the ruler lives soo long how can they predict which one would be needed?

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Too kind of a ruler would bring doom to the empire.


I think you might be confusing kindness and selflessness.

A selfless ruler would always put the country first. This might mean that given the chance of defending the country from a grave threat or settling a personal grudge with a lesser threat he would choose the obviously sensible decision.

A selfish ruler might be more likely to send half the troops to the lesser threat in the name of personal selfish battles and leave the country defenseless.

Similarly a selfless but fair ruler may tax everyone to death but the tax would be spent on growth of the state. A selfish ruler would squander that wealth on mansions and personal spacecraft etc.

This is more what I refer to and if it would be practical to "breed" that into the genetic ruler...

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Why don't the population of said Empire thinks the Emperor is elected each time it dies but it is replaced by a clone that the population is oblivious of it. So you can keep the population thinking they are choosing/electing an Emperor but in reality a conclave or a council is just faking it by replacing their candidate with a clone of their choosing. This will create a good background story and a ton of possible plot twists.

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It still sounds like an empire or dictatorship, regardless of how the emperor came to be.

 

If the population worship their created emperor, it'd be a mix between idolatry and theocracy. Or rather, "theocracy" means the priests giving the commands, so with a visible 'god' ruling, it's be some kind of 'deocracy', or whatever the word is for an 'imperial cult'.

 

If the genetic engineering is ongoing, you might call it a "biocracy" or a "genocracy" (to make up butchered latin words). Genocratic Empire or Imperial Genocracy could work.

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hmm, maybe call it the monarch machine?

since for all intents and purposes this ruler (the player) is eternal, and being able to do all the things it does is more akin to an AI than an actual person, genetically perfected or not. Not to mention the irony of the name, since it's a game.

 

Also, @OP,

don't mean to bring this up again, but the way your critically critiquing some of our comments and discussion of ideas is more like using us as a sounding bord than an actual discussion of your topics.

 

Given the frequency of concerns and specificity of feedback you seem to be wanting from this community, wouldn't it be better for you to just recruit some qualified person to help you on your game?

This way they can potentially see the big picture with you, and come up with more tailored feedback and serve as more a discussion and collaboration specifically for the project, adding whatever qualified skill(s) they’d bring to the table.

 

You’ve been outsourcing to this forum community for some time now, and although we are all qualified in our own respective rights, we're not exactly your specific game community, which is what it seems like your treating us as.

 

I'd really advise you to find someone, this way they also get their due credit in feedback, and helping you generate ideas. You already told me how you think actually crediting anyone who comes up with a workable idea you select would not be feasible, given the volume of feedback you request. Finding a single, or a few specific people to join you would really benefit you in the long run. From sounding board, to speeding up development, to networking, to giving you leadership/ management experience, it would really help boost you and your game’s viability and credibility.

 

Trying to do everything yourself isn’t healthy or sustainable in most game development cases, I’ve seen it destroy my former project lead, and now I hold his position...

Transitions occurred, and each time the team roughly  quadrupled in size, from 1 to 4 to 16...

He eventually got so burrned out that he wants nothing to do with the project he co founded. (nor will we ever let him on again)

 

It may feel like recruiting and on boarding would  take too much time in the beginning, but think of it as an investment in saving you time in the future.

 

Unless of course, you want to try and have complete and total control of your vision and implementation, like the emperor your simulating.... 

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Question: what is the procedure of this cloning thing? Is there some sort of "board of imperial purity"?

 

Question: how a conspiracy to overthrow such Emperor would work? How they would proceed? What are the goals? Would they want to replace the emperor with another one (on their design maybe? or usurp the throne?) Why? Who?

 


If the genetic engineering is ongoing, you might call it a "biocracy" or a "genocracy" (to make up butchered latin words). Genocratic Empire or Imperial Genocracy could work.
Nice ones.

But I wonder, maybe that's my impression, isn't "cracy" a form of collective government? Like Technocracy, Plutocracy, Theocracy (ruled by smart, fit, priests)? Does it fit a system where there is just one person in power?

 


I think you might be confusing kindness and selflessness.

A selfless ruler would always put the country first. This might mean that given the chance of defending the country from a grave threat or settling a personal grudge with a lesser threat he would choose the obviously sensible decision.
I see. Well, yes, but I think it's not a real issue. If you own an Empire you want it to thrive, you don't spend all the funds on luxuries, at least if you are smart. Plus, it's a non issue in a game, since the player is an avatar of selflessness by definition (the player is not doing it for fun, or to get revenge on some pixel characters, but to win the game).

 


we're not exactly your specific game community, which is what it seems like your treating us as.
On the contrary, I'm asking here because you are not my gaming community. I find it limiting to restrict onself to your players only, the mindset is too onesided then. A smaller chance to think outside the box. Especially, when the topic is so theorethical and broad.

 

Besides, I like to talk here about such things, it's fun :) Frequently, me needing it for the game is partially just an excuse :)

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Just for the record, I enjoy these threads.The game design subforum is so little trafficked that it's not like it's pushing out other threads anyway. A pity Wavinator isn't still around.


Me too, it makes a change to be the ideas man and not have to worry about implementing the idea :)

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Question: how a conspiracy to overthrow such Emperor would work? How they would proceed? What are the goals? Would they want to replace the emperor with another one (on their design maybe? or usurp the throne?) Why? Who?
OK, maybe like this (post your own/alter it/etc):

 

Who & why & how:

A) A group of powerful people (bureaucrats, a court faction) want to get rid of you and then put a puppet Emperor they could control. The plan is to get control of seats in the royal cloning council, then make you unalive and then forge a clone and put on the throne (actually replacing it by one of their own secretly bread for this purpose, they don't intend to use the legal cloning facility since it has too many checks and gene security mechanisms).

B) An alien plot to weaken the Empire. Overthrowing you is not absolutelly needed, any solution that makes the Empire weak is OK. So they would try to undermine your authority first and maybe replace you with an inferior Emperor clone that would bring even more disgrace and incompetence. Or just replace with a clone that is genetically altered to like their race and be submissive to them.

C) People that want a republic, they want to make an ideological change, damaging the whole idea of Imperial genocracy, then get rid of you and push for a new governemnt type. Sabotaging royal cloning facilities being an important tactic (so there is no choice but to revert to some other form of government after the old Emperor dies and there is no easy & fast way to replace him).

 

Tactics (shared):

- get control of the royal cloning facity OR destroy it OR alter it

- reduce the dignity of the Emperor OR ridicule the whole concept of Imperial genocracy

- sow dissent and disloyalty among courtiers/ministers (it always help with carrying on a treacherous plan, whatever that plan might be), possible bribes

- physically get rid of the Emperor (assassination), it should be the last step

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That actually sounds good, that'dbe a story I'd sink my teeth in.

 

Well, is this all meant to be just pure lore for world buildings sake? or is any of this meant to be later reflected in design and mechanics?

 

BTW,

Don't get me wrong, I don't deny that these kinds of threads are interesting and worth wile, I just think having a team/ partner to work with would make some of these topics more rewarding for the OP to discuss and implement.

 

I love a purely intellectual discussion maybe more than most, and was content to just discuss on forums for years, but over time, I've realized that's trumped by actually operationalizing it.

Guess it might depend on where a person is on the scale of theoretical to hands on.  

 

By all means, continue doing what you’re doing it seems to be working for you, I'm just used to trying to improve and tweak systems until they reach the optimum levels of efficiency & effectiveness.

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I have thought of a society which got disappointed by the other government forms and decided to engineer the Emperor. They selected the best genes of their race and they cloned an Emperor to rule them all.

Genetically engineering an emperor isn't something that can be done by "society" as a whole. There must be a powerful organization that has the technological refinement and source material to produce a candidate (e.g the Tleilaxu in Dune) and a position of power or supremacy to impose him/her/it as the legitimate emperor; different factions would be expected to support their own emperors, even if they all agree on the basic premise of building a good ruler, and there might be severe civil wars.

 

When the emperor dies or retires, the problem returns. Is the emperor-making group permanently at the helm, avoiding disruptions with an easily installed new emperor? Or every succession causes a renewed conflict between factions (example: USA presidential elections)? Or it never happened yet because the first emperor is still ruling (example: humanity in Warhammer 40000)?

 

You could have mortal but very long-lived emperors that stress the self-preservation of the emperor-building system to the breaking point: where are, after a few centuries, the cloning facilities, the genetic engineers, the political support (in elections or other procedures that have not taken place for generations), etc.? The game could be about the emperor successfully organizing his succession and retirement in hard times.

 

The Pern novels by Anne McCaffrey are an excellent example of this subject; a planet struggles to maintain astronomy, various races of domesticated dragons, an idle paramilitary corps of telepathic dragonriders, and other expensive things that are only useful against alien critters who fall from the sky at intervals of several generations and are just about as terrible as an empire without his head, with coverage of how it went the first time (heroic emergency mode), how traditions and institutions were established, abandoned, revived and applied, and how great people made the difference.

 

In general, this system of making emperors is compatible with different government systems, possibly at the same time; true democracy if different candidates are offered for election and produced disinterestedly as a matter of duty and prestige, aristocracy if candidates are derived from the gene pool of certain families, rather corrupt oligarchy if candidates are expected, or engineered, to further the interests of their makers; if the emperor controls succession it would be a true autocratic monarchy; if there isn't much of an election it would be some kind of oligarchy or technocracy.

A custom made emperor candidate would, in most cases, avoid the internal struggles within factions that are usually implied in a normal election: no place for ambitious people who want to be emperor, no need to kill off everyone above yourself in a succession line, etc.

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How about something more like his divine shadow in lexx?

The emperor is transferred from vessel to vessel surviving centuries or even millenia through a ritual of half technology and half evolution. The vessel has to be specially bred by genetic engineering (in lexx any suitable host would do at a push).

Perhaps the emperor consciousness blends equally with the host body like the trill in star trek rather than taking over completely like the goa'uld in stargate. This would make it critically important that the vessel is not rebellious or selfish and is the right mind to be blended.

Just some ideas to throw in there...

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Genetically engineering an emperor isn't something that can be done by "society" as a whole. There must be a powerful organization that has the technological refinement and source material to produce a candidate (e.g the Tleilaxu in Dune) and a position of power or supremacy to impose him/her/it as the legitimate emperor; different factions would be expected to support their own emperors, even if they all agree on the basic premise of building a good ruler, and there might be severe civil wars.

When the emperor dies or retires, the problem returns. Is the emperor-making group permanently at the helm, avoiding disruptions with an easily installed new emperor? Or every succession causes a renewed conflict between factions (example: USA presidential elections)? Or it never happened yet because the first emperor is still ruling (example: humanity in Warhammer 40000)?
I think in the past they had some sort of republic but they found it flawed. Then they decided to got for an empire. But because there were many factions and no one trusted anyone they decided to go for a truly neutral Emperor. They cloned it from a wide selection of supreme genes (not some nobles genes, just genes of the whole race, further selected by some algorithm). This way they got a person at the top that had no prior obligations, no family, no old debts and favours to be repaid. Truly neutral ruler to who all the factions could agree.

As a bonus such person can be considered a superior human (enchancers, the best combination of genes to make the best intellect, aggressive prunning of inferior genes, boosted immunity system, resistance engineered at the very early stage). No mental illnes, idiots and the like which were plaguing monarchistic systems. A speciment truly designed to be an awesome ruler.

 

I agree with the infrastructure thing. They need an extensive royal cloning facilities.

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I think in the past they had some sort of republic but they found it flawed. Then they decided to got for an empire. But because there were many factions and no one trusted anyone they decided to go for a truly neutral Emperor. They cloned it from a wide selection of supreme genes (not some nobles genes, just genes of the whole race, further selected by some algorithm). This way they got a person at the top that had no prior obligations, no family, no old debts and favours to be repaid. Truly neutral ruler to who all the factions could agree.
As a bonus such person can be considered a superior human (enchancers, the best combination of genes to make the best intellect, aggressive prunning of inferior genes, boosted immunity system, resistance engineered at the very early stage). No mental illnes, idiots and the like which were plaguing monarchistic systems. A speciment truly designed to be an awesome ruler.
 
I agree with the infrastructure thing. They need an extensive royal cloning facilities.

 

But there is no "they", only specific powers and factions.

If the old republic is so corrupt and weak that an empire seems a better option, how can distrustful factions agree on a "truly neutral Emperor"?

In the best case, some factions agree and support the emperor but many planets/systems/colonies where other factions are prevalent revolt, proclaiming some combination of independence and rejection of what they can well consider a coup.

And the best case scenario is unlikely: factions do not automatically erase themselves from existence only because of a new institution like an empire, and they'll try to influence and corrupt the empire.

 

The traditional way to found an empire is by superior power, possibly through peaceful means. For example, a "superior human" can rise to power by being, well, superior (and benevolent enough to gain popular support), crushing dangerous factions in the process; the emperor, rather than someone with a conflict of interest, can worry about being succeeded by his or her clones.

All it takes to have a superhuman emperor without unrealistic political dynamics is a spark of disinterested effort of a plausibly small scale, e.g. a single visionary scientist and a cloning vat, or even pure coincidence (example: Red Son, a recent "alternate universe" version of Superman where Kal-El lands on Earth at a different longitude and succeeds Stalin as the head of USSR).

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