Jump to content
  • Advertisement
Sign in to follow this  
Palk

What to focus, where to start

This topic is 808 days old which is more than the 365 day threshold we allow for new replies. Please post a new topic.

If you intended to correct an error in the post then please contact us.

Recommended Posts

Hello everyone,
 
I'm a C# developer for about almost 7 years but all my focus are in web development and few (only in the beginning) windows/console applications. I've never went deeper in windows application development since i never needed it in work and my focus was trying to improve the web.
 
Probably the main reason that I'm a developer are the games, I always have been  fascinated about "how they do that"  but all i did was editing databases and few graphics.
 
 
Going to concern of the question,
 
I want to create a simple 2D game, text based with a simple 2D top down animation with simple balls, no is not a football manager but yes you can compare the way it is done to what i want:
- Just text informaton
- 2D animation with simple balls (in the beginning)
 
I always wanted to develop a game for windows (not for web) and i always start with database and features analyses because it's what is easy for me but the problem is going deep in the code and create a game animation.
I always got stuck in which one to choose, 
 
WPF (older windows forms) is an easy way to start since we already have all the UI controllers but when it come to animation is not simple and not good enough for games (i think)
 
Unity3D looks great but too much complex (looks like flash :S ), at some point i will need to develop some controllers because the one that i want are not free or doesn't exist. And i don't know if it's focused in 2D without ignoring the 3D and if i can create a game and have all assets with possibility to being editable and not in Unity format (i'm looking for sandbox game)
 
So, i'm here to get your help if possible to guide me to a good book or good ways to do, and I:
- Never developed a game (2D or 3D)
- want to do a simple 2D game top down view
- Never understand the best way to do 2D animations 
- want to deploy a game and people can edit everything in graphics.
 
It's extensive but i'll be really glad to hear your answer even if it's ... keep with web and forget this
 
Thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Advertisement

I'm playing with pygame now for the exact same reasons you should be.  I picked something and if it doesn't work I can always try something else but for now I'm at least coding something like what I want to be coding in the end. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Spend a little time with the most obvious options (you mention WPF and Unity) and "test the water". Force yourself to learn them enough to know how to do one of your specific goals, as kind of a "technical feasibility challenge" to yourself. You will not be able to properly judge their fitness for your goal without trying them out and learning what lurks below the surface.

Start with tutorials. WPF and Unity both have an immense amount of free tutorials all over the web. You will probably not find tutorials that tell you exactly what you need to know, but you will find some that are close, and those will get you familiar enough that you can figure out what to change in order to get what you actually want.

Search for examples of what other people have done with WPF and Unity - see if they are similar to what you want to do. Analyze their approaches. Try their code (if applicable). Learn their ideas. You can find a LOT of cool ideas and source code just by searching the internet for free examples.

Most importantly: Never worry about "wasting" time during the exploratory phase! Even if you use WPF for a month and never use it again, your experience is permanent knowledge you've gained which will help you elsewhere.

At this point you will have gained some experience, decided whether you like the approach, and more importantly figured out in more detail what you don't like and what you need. You will know which questions to ask when deciding whether to use alternative systems, and you may even decide that the first approach you take is actually good enough to keep going.

Don't try to do things perfectly the first time - it's impossible. Jump right in. Don't worry about making your game perfect. You can always change things. Make it fulfill your functional goals first, and then make it look good afterwards. Edited by Nypyren

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would say try XNA. It uses C#, have tons of tutorials, and really just works. Some people say that it's dead because MS no longer develops it, i would argue that it's not dead, it's just complete :). When your game is finished (which i would'nt worry about at all when starting out for the first time) it's really no trouble to port it to MonoGame (i've done this once, took about 1 hour) or probably even better FNA.

In my opinion XNA works better than monogame while developing, no bugs, faster compiling.

 

You probably also should try out Unity. Personally i really dislike doing things using the mouse, and i get really annoyed when the editor crashes now and then. My experience with unity is that it's really great att getting some core features into place, and then ju want to change something from the default behaviour and ju get stuck watching videotutorials for some hours trying to understand whats happening :) But there's no denying that unity is popular and powerful.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm a C# developer like yourself and was very comfortable with silverlight and WPF, and liked the way you could design UIs and animation without much effort in XAML, much like HTML but with more intuitive layouting, styling and better way to build advanced graphical components through composition.

 

I've created a Unity plugin called MarkLight, which is currently in open beta (download link at the webpage). I think it will make the transition easier into Unity development as well as provide you with good familiar tools (markup language, data-binding, events and code-behind, etc). In any case, I recommend just delving into Unity as it's very good game engine and it's pretty intuitive and easy to learn.

Edited by Opwiz

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Really thanks to all i will probably give a try to Unity and read books and see video tutorials that can help me smile.png

 

And for curiosity, SDL is it good for C# or better to stick with Unity?

Edited by Palk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
WPF (older windows forms) 

 

 

WPF is newer than Windows Forms; it came in the .NET 3.0 era.
 
The choice between something like MonoGame and something like Unity is mainly down to the choice between building it (and the tools)  yourself or building it yourself with tools somebody else already built. Unity is a good choice, but it won't feel "normal" to you coming from a mainly-programmer-centric background and it will take some time to get used to the workflow. It's worth forcing yourself through the awkwardness though, to get a really accurate feel for how it can help you before you make a final decision.
Edited by Josh Petrie

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Since you have C# experience I would strongly suggest Monogame. Unity is a bit clunky with 2d. It works but there is alot of unnecessary steps that you have to take because its a 3d engine. I've tried both and have chosen Monogame. Its easy to learn, updated frequently and has a very active community around it. Just my opinion. Hope it helps 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with Spool. Unless Unity has changed a great deal since I used it back in 2008-2010, it's not really great at 2D games, while monogame is a re-implementation of XNA, and XNA made making 2D games pretty simple.
I wouldn't use SDL with C#, and I'm a huge fan of SDL in C and C++. Use a library made for your language and runtime.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  

  • Advertisement
×

Important Information

By using GameDev.net, you agree to our community Guidelines, Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.

Participate in the game development conversation and more when you create an account on GameDev.net!

Sign me up!