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      Hey, I am semi-new to 3d-programming and I've hit a snag. I have one object, let's call it Object A. This object has a long int array of 3d xyz-positions stored in it's vbo as an instanced attribute. I am using these numbers to instance object A a couple of thousand times. So far so good. 
      Now I've hit a point where I want to remove one of these instances of object A while the game is running, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. At first my thought was to update the instanced attribute of Object A and change the positions to some dummy number that I could catch in the vertex shader and then decide there whether to draw the instance of Object A or not, but I think that would be expensive to do while the game is running, considering that it might have to be done several times every frame in some cases. 
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    • By fleissi
      Hey guys!

      I'm new here and I recently started developing my own rendering engine. It's open source, based on OpenGL/DirectX and C++.
      The full source code is hosted on github:
      https://github.com/fleissna/flyEngine

      I would appreciate if people with experience in game development / engine desgin could take a look at my source code. I'm looking for honest, constructive criticism on how to improve the engine.
      I'm currently writing my master's thesis in computer science and in the recent year I've gone through all the basics about graphics programming, learned DirectX and OpenGL, read some articles on Nvidia GPU Gems, read books and integrated some of this stuff step by step into the engine.

      I know about the basics, but I feel like there is some missing link that I didn't get yet to merge all those little pieces together.

      Features I have so far:
      - Dynamic shader generation based on material properties
      - Dynamic sorting of meshes to be renderd based on shader and material
      - Rendering large amounts of static meshes
      - Hierarchical culling (detail + view frustum)
      - Limited support for dynamic (i.e. moving) meshes
      - Normal, Parallax and Relief Mapping implementations
      - Wind animations based on vertex displacement
      - A very basic integration of the Bullet physics engine
      - Procedural Grass generation
      - Some post processing effects (Depth of Field, Light Volumes, Screen Space Reflections, God Rays)
      - Caching mechanisms for textures, shaders, materials and meshes

      Features I would like to have:
      - Global illumination methods
      - Scalable physics
      - Occlusion culling
      - A nice procedural terrain generator
      - Scripting
      - Level Editing
      - Sound system
      - Optimization techniques

      Books I have so far:
      - Real-Time Rendering Third Edition
      - 3D Game Programming with DirectX 11
      - Vulkan Cookbook (not started yet)

      I hope you guys can take a look at my source code and if you're really motivated, feel free to contribute :-)
      There are some videos on youtube that demonstrate some of the features:
      Procedural grass on the GPU
      Procedural Terrain Engine
      Quadtree detail and view frustum culling

      The long term goal is to turn this into a commercial game engine. I'm aware that this is a very ambitious goal, but I'm sure it's possible if you work hard for it.

      Bye,

      Phil
    • By tj8146
      I have attached my project in a .zip file if you wish to run it for yourself.
      I am making a simple 2d top-down game and I am trying to run my code to see if my window creation is working and to see if my timer is also working with it. Every time I run it though I get errors. And when I fix those errors, more come, then the same errors keep appearing. I end up just going round in circles.  Is there anyone who could help with this? 
       
      Errors when I build my code:
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      Renderer.cpp
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      #pragma once namespace Game { class Clock; class Rendering { public: Rendering(); ~Rendering(); bool initialize(uint width, uint height, bool fullscreen, std::string window_title = "Rendering window"); void shutdown(); bool render(); GLFWwindow* getCurrentWindow(); private: GLFWwindow * window; Clock* mClock; }; } Timer.cpp
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      Game.zip
    • By lxjk
      Hi guys,
      There are many ways to do light culling in tile-based shading. I've been playing with this idea for a while, and just want to throw it out there.
      Because tile frustums are general small compared to light radius, I tried using cone test to reduce false positives introduced by commonly used sphere-frustum test.
      On top of that, I use distance to camera rather than depth for near/far test (aka. sliced by spheres).
      This method can be naturally extended to clustered light culling as well.
      The following image shows the general ideas

       
      Performance-wise I get around 15% improvement over sphere-frustum test. You can also see how a single light performs as the following: from left to right (1) standard rendering of a point light; then tiles passed the test of (2) sphere-frustum test; (3) cone test; (4) spherical-sliced cone test
       

       
      I put the details in my blog post (https://lxjk.github.io/2018/03/25/Improve-Tile-based-Light-Culling-with-Spherical-sliced-Cone.html), GLSL source code included!
       
      Eric
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      Basically I'm trying to find more compatible version of it.

      Thank you!
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Think of using this "design" more so from a software standpoint than a game and I hope it makes more sense.

 

I've been currently dabbling in OpenTK/OpenGL. I've created a class that represents a 2d rectangle, it is called a button. So, when a user instantiates a button, they can define any top/left/width/height locations and also a color. These can be changed at any time, so for my very first initial test, I just used the normal glBegin ... glEnd methods to render each button. For now it works, however I am not satisfied.

 

So I started reading/testing stuff about VBO's. From what I understand we don't want to make a VBO per object, so the idea of making 1 VBO per button is not ideal. This is the easiest start of VBO's for me though. I already did this as a quick test and it seemed to help performance a little bit, although I am still very underwhelmed. I understand that the constant switching of the binding buffer "per object" is the biggest downfall of this implementation.

 

Now that leaves me with an understanding that we should minimize the number of VBO's in total so the amount of switching the binding buffers is minimal. The understanding of this is what escapes me...

 

Buttons are just a start and they are predefined with 4 vertices (an array[3] of vertex - another quick class that holds x, y, z floats). The plan is too keep adding more classes that users can use (labels, lists, etc). These can then drawn in any fashion, not being forced into only 4 vertices "per control"...

 

I was thinking that anything with 4 vertices would go in 1 VBO, anything with 5 vertices in another, and so on... This way we only make new VBO's when they are needed, otherwise if something can fit into an already made VBO, we can add it there.

 

So, if someone renders a test of 100 buttons and 1 triangle, I will need 2 VBO's (100 buttons in 1 VBO and 1 triangle in the other VBO). Then the calls to draw 101 total objects is only 2 (1 per VBO).

 

Does this sound reasonable with how VBO's work? Or is there something else I should know or be doing?

 

P.S. - "Buttons" are my first class to me made, and there will exist both 2d and 3d stuff...

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It is perfectly valid to use a single VBO for all objects with similar geometry. You simply pass additional information to tell the vertex shader how to scale and translate the vertices.

But if you were making a UI that changes very infrequently, or at least has components that change infrequently, then you would just group all of the buttons together into a single VBO.


L. Spiro

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But if you were making a UI that changes very infrequently

I'm just not sure yet. The plan is to make it fully dynamic. That just gives me options from the start if I ever need them - changing the vertices, colors, etc.

 

It sounds like how I imagined would work then. I just need a way to keep track of which button (or class/control) corresponds to which set of vertices in the VBO.

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This is how I do it in my engine (first the basic idea):
1. One VBOs for all gui elements (text,buttons etc.)
2. Map the VBO, then write all widgets in the correct order to the VBO.
2.1 Remember the shader which will be used to render the widgets in a non-GPU memory (an ubershader + branching would work too).
3. Unmap the VBO
4. Bind the VBO.
5. for each widget activate shader &amp; draw the widget (ranged draws).

To optimize it:
I. Use two VBOs, double buffering them which will display the GUI with one frame delay.
II. Merge the draw calls, if follow-up widgets use the same shader.

The latter works especially good for text rendering.

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I know that this isn't the way to be testing this, but I put in an integer counter and stopwatch. Every frame adds 1 to the counter and when the stopwatch elapses >= 1000 milliseconds, I reset the counter.

 

I spawned 1000 quads, each rendered with it's own Begin/End. The counter averaged between 25-30. I'm assuming this is equal to 1000 draw calls.

 

I then spawned 1000 quads into 1 VBO. The VBO now consists of an array of 4000 Vertex (a class that just holds X, Y, Z floats). The counter averaged between 75-80. I'm assuming this is equal to just 1 draw call.

 

I guess the increase in performance is nice to have. I'm just now concerned on how to go about modifying the individual pieces of the massive VBO array.

 

Previously, with the single Begin/End for each object, I could move (translate), rotate, color, etc each object individually as I see fit.

 

Now with using a VBO, I have mapped each object (which now contains a Guid on creation) to it's corresponding index entries in the massive array. So, at least now I can control the positioning of the objects (translating) individually. This just updates the entries for that object in the VBO array.

 

I've got some thinking and trial and error'ing to do about how to go about controlling individual rotations/scalings. For colors I have done some reading about creating another array to hold the color values for each piece. That seems about the same as the individual positions though.

 

Hopefully I am still on the right track...

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My previous implementation was based on pure immediate mode too (begin/end). I converted my gui rendering by doing this:
1. Choose a common format for all widgets (e.g. 4 vertices each having 1 tex coord,color etc.), one which can be mapped directly to the VBO.
2. Exchange the begin/end by writing the data to a cache, so instead of glVertex(xx) use something like data.position=xx
3. Caching was really useful for static text which have several hundred quads and changed really seldomly.
4. Map the "back" VBO (aka accessing the VBO memory directly)
5. Copy the displayed widgets from the cache to the "back" VBO each(!) frame (a simple memcpy if both use the same memory setup)
6. Unmap the "back" VBO (aka asynchroniously upload to the GPU memory).
7. Render the "front" VBO which has been updated and upload one frame before, so that the GPU renders one VBO while the other is uploaded (important to avoid stalling!).
8. Swap back/front VBO for the next frame.

This way I dropped my API calls according to gDebugger by 15k calls. Although, immediatemode is depreacted in OGL 3.0 and above.

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If you don't need to read the vbo on the cpu side and if you don't have to update many different parts of the vbo it would propably be faster to just push updates to the vbo using GL.BufferSubData. That way the driver doesn't have to retrieve the data back from the gpu. This is because mapping the buffer has the driver retrieve the specified part of vbo from vram into ram and then on unmap transfering the whole thing back to vram. With buffersubdata it never retrieves anything from gpu and only updates the part specified in the command.

 

But all of the methods suggested here are valid and the only way of knowing wich one has the most performance is to profile them with your actual use case. And when doing that you propably should look into highprecision timer and timing individual frames. Keep a list of say 600 frames and you can get the shortest the longest and the avarage. Measuring performance in how many milliseconds or if you want even in nanoseconds is important as that gives a much better idea of just how much your performance drops than frames per second. Also keeping a record of individual frames lets you see the longest frames and help you find stutters and such more easily.

All you have to worry about is if your frame time exceeds 16 milliseconds then you can no longer quarantee 60 fps and you might need to optimize. Or if you are targeting a differrent fps(for vr i think you need over 90 and for mobile 30 should be enough) you can calculate the millisecond limit by 1000/fps.

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@PunCrathod

Well, you can define the access mode when mapping the buffer, e.g. write only, so the API don't need to download the mapped buffer at all ! But a buffersubdata will be executed syncroniously and bears the danger of stalling your pipeline !

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