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I tend to receive answers that are not helpful to my questions or answerers that have an attitude. Is it a sign I'm not for game making?

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I wouldn't say not getting helpful answers in a forum is a reason strong enough to stop pursuing game development.

 

If you want, it would be a good enough reason to leave the forum. Or to change your way of asking questions. Not that I think you're asking bad questions, but if you're not getting what you want from this forum I only see three choices:

  1. Keep doing the same you're doing.
  2. Try something different.
  3. Leave the forum.

I think #1 won't work and I would suggest trying #2 before #3. Tom Sloper has a nice advice on how to ask questions in the internet.

 

Again, I'm not suggesting you ask bad questions, I haven't gone through your posts, so I can't know. But people won't suddenly start answering differently to the same questions, so the only thing left to try is asking questions in a different way. I hope you find this advice helpful and not too much off-topic.

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Since we are on the topic:

 

A one-line question is less likely to give you a meaningful answer, than a medium-length question with an explanation of at least some context to this question.

 

For example, unlike Alberth, I wouldn't feel like to search through all your previous topics to see what had happened. So with that in mind, I wouldn't be able to answer even this question. If you gave a short example, it would be easier to see what had happend. Like: "For example, that last time I asked about this, I just got people telling me to do that which was not part of my question".

 

I just had a brief look at your previous questions and, it seems most of them are kind of short like this. So maybe one thing that can be a reason, and that you can approve on is, trying to give more information towards your question. Nobody likes to read wall of texts but at least show some background, show us what you actually expect, then you might get answers more to what you actually expect :)

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I don't believe it's pathetic, it might be like others said that your ask for help/ questions isn't explicit enough.

Normally everybody can go for it if they really want it.

 

Always know that the answers people give are with the intention to help, which in some cases might be to advice you to go a dit deeper and ask your question more explicit.

 

On the forum side in general, I have the opposite experience, so it's definately possible (and I'm not a professional programmer).

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I find this forum to be one of the best and most helpful there is. I've had a great deal of useful answers here, some that are totally not what I wanted but have convinced me enough to entirely change how I solve a problem (this is one of the benefits of having so many opinions). I also read a lot of people's answers to others and generally I find them useful and they also teach me a few things.

 

I usually come on here more to answer people's questions than I do to ask my own and I think you'll find the same is true for a lot of people here, they WANT to help you. If they didn't they wouldn't even open your thread. That said you do get a few seemly arsy type answers, the odd one sentence 'Read this FAQ' etc but actually, if you went and read those things they tend to give you far more than you would ever need. Also, some types of question do tend to draw out the less friendly side of people: 'I am making the next big MMO, which programming language should I use?' tend to get some what mocking (yet realistic) answers. 

 

I like helping people who are prepared to help themselves so when I see a question full of detail about what a person has already tried and what research they have done etc I find that not only really helpful (I know what they are talking about now) but also I feel like my time isn't being wasted on someone who is just too lazy to type their problem in a search engine.

 

Checking your topic history and I see some of your other topics have sparked a fair bit of discussion, I'd say that's good.

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I tend to receive answers that are not helpful to my questions or answerers that have an attitude. Is it a sign I'm not for game making?

 

I don't think so. While I did not read your previous topics, from the title and your statement above I think it is a sign your problem solving and communication skills need work. I recommend thoroughly reading How To Ask Questions The Smart Way, especially the sections On Not Reacting Like A Loser and Questions Not To Ask.

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The really tough problems I had to solve I asked about on this forum, but already knew pretty well that it was unlikely anybody had pursued anything similar that would see my question on this forum. Mostly I didn't receive any replies at all and ended up figuring things out on my own. I can attest to the fact that asking questions about complicated and highly specialized things probably won't bode well. I don't know what your questions have been or what sort of replies you've been receiving but I do know that a single forum should not be the compass you use to determine what it is that you enjoy doing.

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I would say pretty universally that good-quality questions attract good-quality answers, often excellent answers given the level of expertise around here. If you find yourself gathering low-quality, follow-up-questions, or even aggression, the best way to remedy that situation is to ask better questions. Also, I've seen a handful of people over the years who were upset not because their questions weren't being answered, but because they weren't getting the answer they wanted or expected -- if this is you, stop it. Part of the art of answering a question here is reading between the lines and getting to the heart of the issue, and sometimes the problem that needs to be addressed is not the one you've asked about. No one wan't to give you the right answer to the wrong problem, but without context to your question its easy to come to the wrong conclusion about what your problem really is. Again, providing more context to your question is key to getting useful answers.

 

Likewise, there's an art to asking questions as well. Tell us the what, where, why, and how of the problem in your question. What are you trying to do? What's wrong with the results you see (and what did you expect to see)? What are the surrounding conditions/assumptions that restrict your solution? Where are you doing this--platforms, libraries, programming languages? Why is this problem important? How have you tried to solve it already?

 

Keep your question focused -- its easy to drift into giving too many details or irrelevant details.

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What do you not understand?

This is a forum. It is designed for conversations. You know, people talking to each other. If you refuse to talk back and forth, you will get very little from this website.

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Is it a sign I'm not for game making?


Yes. Or you could find forums in your native language so you CAN understand. Edited by Nypyren

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People tend to not give me response after I ask them something. They just disappear. Never happened to you, huh?

@Nypyren looks like you like to look down on people who don't speak English, huh? Crap. Look, do you like to receive your kind of hostile everyday since you wake up from your bed? Do you? Or do you like to be treated with an attitude that is at least not hostile, but normal ,even? Did I do anything to you personally? Did I insult you or steal your things? 

Edited by gamervb

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As stated in the Forum FAQ For Beginners FAQ, General Etiquette:

 

Be prepared to receive information that you did not expect; often as a beginner your perspective on an issue will not be entirely accurate, and so if you get an answer that doesn't appear to be the answer you wanted to expected, prefer asking for clarifying information to acting indignant and offended.

 

So.. yeah.

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You know what? It is to the point where I don't want to be neutral anymore. I asked several times in my previous question to ask the answerers to clarify what they meant, and they didn't reply. Fuck you you dare to say they replied to me. They talked among themselves about micro optimization. I asked several answerers and they never responded. And this one guy with an attitude came to my question saying something that is completely irrelevant to my question, and later claimed I stressed micro optimization. Fuck that guy for saying that. I only asked a question to know which method is faster. Since did I stress so much about micro optimization? You know me perfectly well? Is your answer constructive at all ? And you accused me of something I never did ? Look at the all the other questions. You will never see anyone with an attitude go their questions. I tried to be as neutral as I could with the questions I asked and as concise and clear as possible. But there's always some people with an attitude come to the questions and started saying things that are untrue. Screw this. really. Fucking arrogant people. I'm leaving this site.


This is your second "everybody hates me I guess I'll go eat rocks" topic in a pretty short span of time.

 

You're either going to do it or you're not.

 

If you're looking for someone to blame then just blame Chubu and then you can go away and not worry about how you failed.

 

Otherwise grow the fuck up and do what you have to do to make it work. Nobody here is responsible for you or for your success. If you want it, you make it.

Get the fuck out of here and go fuck yourself. No one asked you to answer.

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People tend to not give me response after I ask them something. They just disappear. Never happened to you, huh?

@Nypyren looks like you like to look down on people who don't speak English, huh? Crap. Look, do you like to receive your kind of hostile everyday since you wake up from your bed? Do you? Or do you like to be treated with an attitude that is at least not hostile, but normal ,even? Did I do anything to you personally? Did I insult you or steal your things? 

 

You know what? It is to the point where I don't want to be neutral anymore. I asked several times in my previous question to ask the answerers to clarify what they meant, and they didn't reply. Fuck you you dare to say they replied to me. They talked among themselves about micro optimization. I asked several answerers and they never responded. And this one guy with an attitude came to my question saying something that is completely irrelevant to my question, and later claimed I stressed micro optimization. Fuck that guy for saying that. I only asked a question to know which method is faster. Since did I stress so much about micro optimization? You know me perfectly well? Is your answer constructive at all ? And you accused me of something I never did ? Look at the all the other questions. You will never see anyone with an attitude go their questions. I tried to be as neutral as I could with the questions I asked and as concise and clear as possible. But there's always some people with an attitude come to the questions and started saying things that are untrue. Screw this. really. Fucking arrogant people. I'm leaving this site.


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Get the fuck out of here and go fuck yourself. No one asked you to answer.

 

The fact that people's participation here is voluntary, means you should take it as a "privilege" that anyone response to you at all with the correct solution and not your "right".

 

For you to have your thread question answered- as your right (rather than privilege), like @Albert said - it would cost you money. But since we all are used to the free internet, I will advise treat this privilege with respect if you intend to continue using. Even if you go elsewhere, with this attitude, things would never improve.

 

You also say people disappear.... you have to note other users have their day jobs, their families, and other obligations ... they never signed up to be your full-time mentor. 

 

There would be no forum free to join where it would be your right to get the exact correct solutions your problems. You should be ready to cut people some slack of dabbling off course at times, and when you call people back to original topic - do it with respect

 

So i would advise - you are not using gamedev anymore? fine but anywhere you join, show some respect (particularly to those who mostly give answers rather than ask) , even if you don't like everything you see. That would give you better results on other forums and in life generally

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You know what? It is to the point where I don't want to be neutral anymore. I asked several times in my previous question to ask the answerers to clarify what they meant, and they didn't reply.


While I can understand a certain amount of frustration with Kylotan in particular there will always be people who are unhelpful and/or distracting.

That said, Hodgman pretty much answered your question in the very first reply of that thread. After that there was only the option of silence or talking about the usefulness of the question. Granted, Kylotan started talking about something completely unwarranted and mixed that in with some valid points but, as I said, that's the way he is and one just needs to learn to deal with that.

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You know what? It is to the point where I don't want to be neutral anymore. I asked several times in my previous question to ask the answerers to clarify what they meant, and they didn't reply. Fuck you you dare to say they replied to me. They talked among themselves about micro optimization. I asked several answerers and they never responded.


Okay, since you're clearly talking about me, let's look at this.

The thread is here, for anyone interested in checking for themselves: http://www.gamedev.net/topic/681032-which-way-would-have-better-performance/

Your original post has a direct answer from Hodgman which directly addresses the question you asked. That alone makes this entire rant empty and meaningless. You got exactly the answer you wanted. You're angry because you got more than that.

Further down, I replied pointing out that it was a meaningless comparison since the 2 methods don't do the same thing.

You then asked one person what "readable/ understandable code" meant, which is literally the only question you asked that didn't get an answer. Every single other post you made, I responded to directly.

Yes, we discussed more things on the thread than your direct original question. This is for several reasons:

1) It's a discussion forum; we discuss things. You start the thread but you don't own the thread. It lives on for the benefit of other people in future who might have the same question. This means some posts on the thread won't be a direct response to you. Deal with it. If you want a strict Q&A session, StackExchange exists for that.
2) I'm here to help people finish games, not waste time on things that don't matter. The calculation asked about doesn't matter except in some extremely exceptional cases. I wanted to make that clear.
3) Hodgman's answer had several aspects that were worth exploring, such as the use of length-squared vs. length, what would be fastest if you were writing shader code vs. application code, and the issues that should guide how to write your code given that "there wouldn't be too much difference between them". People discussed those aspects for everyone's benefit. This is especially relevant since you provided no context for your question.
 

And this one guy with an attitude came to my question saying something that is completely irrelevant to my question, and later claimed I stressed micro optimization. Fuck that guy for saying that. I only asked a question to know which method is faster.


What I said was entirely relevant to your question because they are not the same operation. Sphere tests measure against a distance X. Cube tests measure against distances between Y and Y * 1.866 depending on how the cube is oriented relative to whatever approaches it. And X doesn't necessarily equal Y. The cube method also involves up to 6 conditionals which means performance is dependent on how many of those you regularly trigger, and what order they're in. To answer this correctly requires more information, which you did not seem interested in providing.
 

Look at the all the other questions. You will never see anyone with an attitude go their questions.


You're right, I never answer anyone else's questions. (Apart from the hundreds, maybe thousands, I've replied to since I started here 16 years ago.)
 
I sincerely apologise if you feel that my responses upset you, but you need to accept that we're here to discuss things, that sometimes our assumptions will be questioned, and that people will come into a thread with different opinions. As GrumpyOldDude said, we're not paid to mentor you. Everything you get here is free. Take what you can from it, and graciously ignore the rest if you have to. Edited by Kylotan

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While I can understand a certain amount of frustration with Kylotan in particular there will always be people who are unhelpful and/or distracting.


You came into a thread lecturing people who aren't entirely familiar with newer C++ idioms, saying they shouldn't "call <themselves> a C++ programmer" and then calling them "the most incompetent programmer I wouldn't have to fire straight away". Another moderator gave you a good reply about that. But you still act like it's my fault. Let it go.

Granted, Kylotan started talking about something completely unwarranted and mixed that in with some valid points but, as I said, that's the way he is and one just needs to learn to deal with that.


Everything I posted in that thread was entirely warranted and I've explained why above. It would be nice if you stopped trying to make this personal.

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