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By Gnollrunner
Hi again, After some looking around I have decided to base my game directly on Direct X rather than using an existing game engine. Because of the nature of the stuff I'm doing it just didn't seem to fit very well and I kept running into road blocks. At this point I have a big blob of code for doing fractal world generation and some collision code, and I'm trying to put it into some form that resembles a game engine. Since I've never used one before It's a bit alien to me ..... so can someone direct me to a book, website, article, whatever... that covers this? I'm mainly looking for stuff that covers C++ library design. I'm not adverse to using 3rd party tools for stuff I can used them for.

By chiffre
Introduction:
In general my questions pertain to the differences between floating and fixedpoint data. Additionally I would like to understand when it can be advantageous to prefer fixedpoint representation over floatingpoint representation in the context of vertex data and how the hardware deals with the different datatypes. I believe I should be able to reduce the amount of data (bytes) necessary per vertex by choosing the most opportune representations for my vertex attributes. Thanks ahead of time if you, the reader, are considering the effort of reading this and helping me.
I found an old topic that shows this is possible in principal, but I am not sure I understand what the pitfalls are when using fixedpoint representation and whether there are any hardwarebased performance advantages/disadvantages.
(TLDR at bottom)
The Actual Post:
To my understanding HLSL/D3D11 offers not just the traditional floating point model in half,single, and doubleprecision, but also the fixedpoint model in form of signed/unsigned normalized integers in 8,10,16,24, and 32bit variants. Both models offer a finite sequence of "gridpoints". The obvious difference between the two models is that the fixedpoint model offers a constant spacing between values in the normalized range of [0,1] or [1,1], while the floating point model allows for smaller "deltas" as you get closer to 0, and larger "deltas" the further you are away from 0.
To add some context, let me define a struct as an example:
struct VertexData { float[3] position; //3x32bits float[2] texCoord; //2x32bits float[3] normals; //3x32bits } //Total of 32 bytes Every vertex gets a position, a coordinate on my texture, and a normal to do some light calculations. In this case we have 8x32=256bits per vertex. Since the texture coordinates lie in the interval [0,1] and the normal vector components are in the interval [1,1] it would seem useful to use normalized representation as suggested in the topic linked at the top of the post. The texture coordinates might as well be represented in a fixedpoint model, because it seems most useful to be able to sample the texture in a uniform manner, as the pixels don't get any "denser" as we get closer to 0. In other words the "delta" does not need to become any smaller as the texture coordinates approach (0,0). A similar argument can be made for the normalvector, as a normal vector should be normalized anyway, and we want as many points as possible on the sphere around (0,0,0) with a radius of 1, and we don't care about precision around the origin. Even if we have large textures such as 4k by 4k (or the maximum allowed by D3D11, 16k by 16k) we only need as many gridpoints on one axis, as there are pixels on one axis. An unsigned normalized 14 bit integer would be ideal, but because it is both unsupported and impractical, we will stick to an unsigned normalized 16 bit integer. The same type should take care of the normal vector coordinates, and might even be a bit overkill.
struct VertexData { float[3] position; //3x32bits uint16_t[2] texCoord; //2x16bits uint16_t[3] normals; //3x16bits } //Total of 22 bytes Seems like a good start, and we might even be able to take it further, but before we pursue that path, here is my first question: can the GPU even work with the data in this format, or is all I have accomplished minimizing CPUside RAM usage? Does the GPU have to convert the texture coordinates back to a floatingpoint model when I hand them over to the sampler in my pixel shader? I have looked up the data types for HLSL and I am not sure I even comprehend how to declare the vertex input type in HLSL. Would the following work?
struct VertexInputType { float3 pos; //this one is obvious unorm half2 tex; //half corresponds to a 16bit float, so I assume this is wrong, but this the only 16bit type I found on the linked MSDN site snorm half3 normal; //same as above } I assume this is possible somehow, as I have found input element formats such as: DXGI_FORMAT_R16G16B16A16_SNORM and DXGI_FORMAT_R16G16B16A16_UNORM (also available with a different number of components, as well as different component lengths). I might have to avoid 3component vectors because there is no 3component 16bit input element format, but that is the least of my worries. The next question would be: what happens with my normals if I try to do lighting calculations with them in such a normalizedfixedpoint format? Is there no issue as long as I take care not to mix floating and fixedpoint data? Or would that work as well? In general this gives rise to the question: how does the GPU handle fixedpoint arithmetic? Is it the same as integerarithmetic, and/or is it faster/slower than floatingpoint arithmetic?
Assuming that we still have a valid and useful VertexData format, how far could I take this while remaining on the sensible side of what could be called optimization? Theoretically I could use the an input element format such as DXGI_FORMAT_R10G10B10A2_UNORM to pack my normal coordinates into a 10bit fixedpoint format, and my verticies (in object space) might even be representable in a 16bit unsigned normalized fixedpoint format. That way I could end up with something like the following struct:
struct VertexData { uint16_t[3] pos; //3x16bits uint16_t[2] texCoord; //2x16bits uint32_t packedNormals; //10+10+10+2bits } //Total of 14 bytes Could I use a vertex structure like this without too much performanceloss on the GPUside? If the GPU has to execute some sort of unpacking algorithm in the background I might as well let it be. In the end I have a functioning deferred renderer, but I would like to reduce the memory footprint of the huge amount of vertecies involved in rendering my landscape.
TLDR: I have a lot of vertices that I need to render and I want to reduce the RAMusage without introducing crazy compression/decompression algorithms to the CPU or GPU. I am hoping to find a solution by involving fixedpoint datatypes, but I am not exactly sure how how that would work.

By babaliaris
Well i found out Here what's the problem and how to solve it (Something about world coordinates and object coordinates) but i can't understand how ti works. Can you show me some examples in code on how you implement this???
Scaling Matrix:
m_Impl>scale = glm::mat4(1.0f); m_Impl>scale = glm::scale(m_Impl>scale, glm::vec3(width, height, 0)); Verticies:
//Verticies. float verticies[] = { //Positions. //Texture Coordinates. 1.0f, 1.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f, 2.0f, 1.0f, 1.0f, 0.0f, 2.0f, 2.0f, 1.0f, 1.0f, 1.0f, 2.0f, 0.0f, 1.0f }; Rendering:
//Projection Matrix. glm::mat4 proj = glm::ortho(0.0f, (float)window>GetWidth(), 0.0f, (float)window>GetHeight(), 1.0f, 1.0f); //Set the uniform. material>program>setUniformMat4f("u_MVP", proj * model); //model is the scale matrix from the previous code. //Draw. glDrawElements(GL_TRIANGLES, material>ibo>GetCount(), GL_UNSIGNED_INT, NULL);
Shader:
#shader vertex #version 330 core layout(location = 0) in vec4 aPos; layout(location = 1) in vec2 aTexCoord; out vec2 texCoord; uniform mat4 u_MVP; void main() { gl_Position = u_MVP*aPos; texCoord = aTexCoord; } #shader fragment #version 330 core out vec4 colors; in vec2 texCoord; uniform sampler2D u_Texture; void main() { colors = texture(u_Texture, texCoord); }
Before Scaling (It's down there on the bottom left corner as a dot).
After Scaling
Problem: Why does the position also changes?? If you see my Verticies, the first position starts at 1.0f, 1.0f , so when i'm scaling it should stay at that position

By Bret Marisnick
Hey guys!
Ok so I have been developing some ideas to get to work on and I have one specifically that I need some assistance with. The App will be called “A Walk On the Beach.” It’s somewhat of a 3D representation of the Apple app “Calm.” The idea is that you can take a virtual stroll up and down a pier on the beach. Building the level of a pier seems self explanatory to me... but my question is this.... How could I make it so that players can leave notes on the pier for other users to read and or respond to? I was thinking something like a virtual “peg board” at the end of the pier where players can “pin up” pictures or post it’s.
Any advice on how I could accomplish this would be helpful!


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