@Awoken Yes of course you can't give me a "correct" answer has to how long it takes or cost and so on, because it varies vastly and on how easy I learn stuff and how smart/stupid I am and if I was a new John Carmack or not and how lucky I get. So when I ask, I of course just expect people to answer with their own skillset, experience and knowledge on the subject in mind and not as if they know who I am (an like i think most people would normally expect when they get an answer). It can take, what only took 100 people to do, a 1000 people to do in the same time period if it was 100 pros vs 1000 amatures. But you can never answer with that, cause that is an impossibility. You just have to answer with if it was you in my shoes, with how long it took you to learn and your experience, how long would it take to do what I want to do? That is all I am really asking here with my questions

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1 hour ago, Awoken said:

You provide a lot of background info and a long read to convince yourself and others that you're going to do it and you would really like someone around here to say 'Yeah bilbo92, totally doable in a short amount of time, just take a look see here"

You are completely off, I even said I kinda expect this very very unpolished prototype would take between 3-5 years and between 5 people, so I basicly know that this is neither an easy project nor one I will finish fast. I want to make one of the teambased games, my side project the next 5 years at the Univeristy and my motivation to keep going, and that is also why I only expect the bare minimum of the game and even then I don't know if that would be realistic (which is why I made this very post). I even mention if I had to do a game like any of the 3 titles on my own it would probably not even ship before I die, so nope, in all fairness I do think I from the very start that I have been very realistic about the level of difficulty and that it is going to be a both time consuming project and a big mouthful. But as I said it's something I do because I do have the motivation for it, and it would be stupid to do a lot of "small" games first that I have no motivation for, because that will definitely not help me.
 

1 hour ago, Awoken said:

Second, you'll have to forgive everyone for not being able to answer your question.  You even mention in your post that the vast majority of people aren't going to read your whole post ( it's a doosy ), myself included.  So I'll have to apologise but on the outset my 'impression' is that you're a motivated individual who has little experience programming.

And I mentioned this for the very reason that I wanted to avoid the type of people who just reads the title and then give an answer, without knowing what I actually ask for, before they answer. And the reason I made this doosy long post, is I wanted to do give the best possible option to give me an answer to my questions, well knowing what I want and try to do. However, without having to go back and forth in a 100 pages dialogue/debate before what get to the point what it is I actually try to accomplish. Clearly I failed, since all focused on the parts I wanted them to look aside from.

 

1 hour ago, Awoken said:

As such you have little, dare I say zero ability to answer you're own question

And you are right on point here, which is why I posted in here, in the hope that one developer here was bored a friday night and thought this post sounded fun for them to answer  Because I'm not trying to hide that I am completely clueless and new to both coding and gamedevelopment, but I have also made that very clear!

Let's say I want to make a 6v6 online game that is just 1 white big squared platform, where each player could choose 1 out of 21 differently coloured cubes, with each colour having all the abilities one of the 21 heroes of Overwatch have. Would creating that game be a 1 months, 1 year, 10 year og 100 year job for one of you, if you had to make it? It is like that I am asking. And yes I am sorry I can't go down in a more technical level, as I am as you point out a newb, that is also why I try to explain it to the best of my ability what it is I try and want to do  
 

49 minutes ago, Rutin said:

This doesn't matter because anyone else here or @Awoken's skills, abilities, and industry experience has no bearing on your ability to make the same project in the same time frame.

You keep bringing up time but you don't even have a clue how to gage your own ability in a programming and/or development capacity, so how should we? Like I suggested in my other post, pick up something like C# and Unity and actually put in some blood, sweat, and tears to find out. Is there a reason you haven't started yet?

Well it does matter to me, while it might not do to you, even though you might not see or understand why. Fair enough if you don't want to give me your estimate or thoughts on the matter, and fair enough if no one wants wants to or simply just aren't capable of it. I don't need a 500 page essay on the matter, I just asked people for their thoughts and experience on the matter and I didn't expect them to go into major technical detail or anything. All I wanted to know is if those who answered had any experince and reference to the gaming industry, and else just shoot from the hip on their thoughts on my questions...

and in all fairness, it wasn't a problem for people to answer in the first place. The problem was they answered questions I didn't ask, which I just respectfully tried to let them know. So to put it like this, it is basicly like going to the doctor with something on your arm and ask "what is this" and instead they tell you what it isn't. Though the answer is useful it doesn't really help anything. You see my point? Anyways normally when you get these type of "it all depends on" questions on the interwebs (which the interwebs is packed off in every aspect of life), it just common knowledge you say where you come from and then give your answer based on your own experience and knowledge while letting the other person know what your own experience is. You can't try to figure out everyones skill level, talent, experince and so on, you just have to give the best judgement based on if you were in my shoes based on your own life. Like "if this were me, based on my x years in the gaming industry and my x years knowing how to code, it would...." and so on.

my questions are no different than a question of "how long it will take to learn French/English/Russian" though you can't truly use the answer anyone give you because it's completely indivual, it doesn't mean people can't give their take on it based on their experience and it won't have any use to anyone. For some it take 5 months for others it take 5 years, but you can still get an idea from it, based on their background, skillset, education and so on.

The reason I havn't truly started is I don't want to fall behind in my classes, so until I feel like I have settled in and know my pace, I try to just follow class instead of doing my own projects so I fall behind cause I get caught up in them.

@bilbo92, I apologise for reading you wrong...
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Did you get a chance to look at my blog?
I can only answer to that project, oh and my Shapes TD game.
I've been programming Unirule for four years now.  It's hard for me to say just how many hours I've put into the project week to week because some weeks I'm more motivated then others.  Learning to trust and ride the 'motivation' waves has been a personal self discovery.  But seeing as I ball park ~2000 hours of coding, debugging( where most of my time is spent ), letting inspiration find solutions to some of the problems and challenges( sometimes taking months ), and taking breaks from the project lasting a month or two.  That would mean I program on average about 1.5 hours a day.  I'm very close to finishing my framework ( basically the foundation code that'll support a game ), but I've been saying to myself and everyone here that "I'm very close to finishing my framework" for about a year now.  I'm crossing my fingers that it'll actually get done by the end of this year.  So close but yet so far away hahaha.

I participated in the GameDev Tower Defence challenge and earned myself a little badge, you can see it under my name.   @Rutin has three badges because he's particapted in three challenges so far.  My Tower Defence game, which is not finished, I worked on for 2 months.  It is not a finished game but the basics are there.  I'd say I put 200 to 300 hours into that project over three-ish months.
 

2 hours ago, bilbo92 said:

I even mention if I had to do a game like any of the 3 titles on my own it would probably not even ship before I die,

2 hours ago, bilbo92 said:

But as I said it's something I do because I do have the motivation for it

2 hours ago, bilbo92 said:

and it would be stupid to do a lot of "small" games first that I have no motivation for, because that will definitely not help me.

@bilbo92, we invite you to make your game here.  We'll help out with any technical questions you have.  There are people here who can answer most if not all of your technical questions.  As you see we're not so good with subjective questions, haha.

I'm curious to see your vision...

Cheers

13 plus years and counting on my Multi-player online RPG project, but that's with some cavets, and that is with two people working on the project on and off.

1. lots of pauses in development, including years with no work on the project

2. I used a lot of pre-exisiting code (ended up replacing most of the artwork) all open source client and server, a complete game, more or less, but not something that I would want to play. So basically it is a hard fork of an existing project ( completely different project goals)

3. At the time I started the project, I didn't know how to program in C (the server) or Java(the eventual client after we dropped x11), I got someone else to do some of the programing for me, while I did a lot of the art/project admin stuff.

4. Done, nope, playable, yes, fun, well maybe, we fixed some of the stuff that made it too hard for newbies.

5. Still considered alpha, most of the major features not implemented yet.

16 hours ago, swiftcoder said:

I've never made a 6vs6 online games with 21 different ability sets. Nor, I'd warrant, has anyone else on the forum. Plenty of them have made games, and those games took anywhere from a few person-weeks to a few thousand person-years to develop, depending on complexity.

Well that's just any sort of MOBA, which the internet is flooded with these days, so I would imagine some on these forums would have been a part of developing such a game - as said I don't expect people to have them them completely solo or anything? And truthfully yes, I would take every single shortcut I can to make what I want, if there is a solution that fits my licking in every aspect of the development cycle.
 

4 hours ago, vinterberg said:

The main issue isn't assets, but math skills .. Programming is very heavy math, especially for 3D - and using an engine won't exclude you from knowing why stuff works and how..

And that is also why I unrolled at the university to learn code and get a software bachelor, because I know that no matter what I will need to learn to code if I want to make a game on my own. But truthfully I doubt I will get to have anything related to gaming in during my education, but since it's where I want to end up, this is what I will do in my sparetime, when I have finished my homework and everything, and then try and implement what I've learned and put it into my game, or to acquire the knowledge of how to do it myself using what I've learned.
 

16 hours ago, Awoken said:

Did you get a chance to look at my blog?

Yes I also came across it before, before I wrote this post

and thanks @Jastiv and @Septopus it was more these sorts of answers I looked for, though I like you are fair about saying you can't give an estimate, but instead just try and tell how you do and how much time you spend/costed to develop so far.