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I''ve been a Nintendo loyalist for years now and I''m tired of their kiddy ways. But this forum is about story development in games. I have some game ideas but no one likes them because they''re too weird/original. Heres one of them. A game staring an evolved monkey who plays as a cop. This is a mature title by the way. Not a kiddy game. Think Planet of the Apes meets Resident Evil. Will this game sell if it was ever released?

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Weird games certainly have a place, if only for those people who are stoned out of their minds...

If you want to write weird games, write them. Don''t expect them to be as popular as non-weird games, because there are more weird people than not-weird people. But the weird people will be your market - plus some people who will pick up the game out of sheer curiosity, because they want to play something weird.

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So you could climb buildings and trees, and swing on bars in your uniform and eat bananas for powerups while you are cuffing the bad guys?

Interesting

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The trick to beaing xenophobia is to present your new concept in such a way that it looks like its the same old thing, but it has some unexplainable new-ness to it. For example, your evolved monkey should probably look a lot like a human with some apelike features. Also, don''t make this one Apecop the only evolved monkey, you want to make the premise believable, and one monkey evolving above all else, and deciding to be a cop, and being allowed to be a cop, besides being the subject of all scientific study, doesn''t seem plausible.

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So you could climb buildings and trees, and swing on bars in your uniform and eat bananas for powerups while you are cuffing the bad guys?


And throw feces at them!

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Well, I said my title was mature. None of that kiddiness. The monkeys use their fist and guys as their weapon. Like Resident Evil, but with monkeys as the leading role. Also, with better controls.

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Original post by Golden Bunny
I''ve been a Nintendo loyalist for years now

It''s a good thing you''re loyal to Nintendo. I''m sure they really appreciate it. Furthermore, it shows that you''re mature enough to block out all the other systems so you can''t be tainted by their games. Bravo!

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and I''m tired of their kiddy ways.

And good thing, too, that you''re not looking at games for their gameplay value. I mean, who''d ever want a game to be fun when they can have "mature rated content" in it?
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But this forum is about story development in games.

Then why did you post the above?
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I have some game ideas but no one likes them because they''re too weird/original.

And because no one likes them, they are completely invalid. Again, this is a good sign of you as a game developer. It shows you rely heavily on your peers (who are obviously expert game designers in their own right) to judge/validate your ideas.

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Heres one of them. A game staring an evolved monkey who plays as a cop. This is a mature title by the way. Not a kiddy game. Think Planet of the Apes meets Resident Evil.

The fact that you are falling into the Hollywood "think X meets Y" is great as well, because what people want is completely familiar concepts to fall back on. What I don''t get is why you think this is original or even the slightest bit weird. So what, you''re a monkey. In fact, it''s totally apparent that you missed the entire point of Planet of the Apes. But, back to your stunning game idea - and since this is the game writing forum, the story. It may, with all seriousness, be the only saving grace of your game - if you could somehow differentiate it from PotA and have an interesting evolutionary sci-fi thing (or whatever). But, the rest of your game idea is trite. Resident Evil with a man, monkey, or 2 ton blob is still Resident Evil. (well, ok, a 2 ton blob would be interesting - unless everything was scaled to its size, then you''re back to the monkey, so to speak.)

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Will this game sell if it was ever released?

Do you care? Is the whole point of you writing for games to make money? If it is, then, you know what? Stick to Hollywood formulae like you''re seemingly on the path to doing. That whole school of thought is convinced that people don''t want anything new. So, they churn out copies of the the latest, hottest thing. And then someone decides to do something new (taking that huge risk!) and the cycle starts all over again. All in all, bullshit.

Write what you want. If it sells, hey, more power to you. If it doesn''t, either consider yourself a failure, or consider everyone else failures. Most classical painters were only successful posthumously - they lived their lives in failure. (whether it was themselves or everyone else depended on the disposition of the artist)

Rant over,
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Resident Evil with a man, monkey, or 2 ton blob is still Resident Evil. (well, ok, a 2 ton blob would be interesting - unless everything was scaled to its size, then you''re back to the monkey, so to speak.)



Heh. That blob thing would rock. Although I can''t begin to envision a logical control scheme (all those pseudopods).

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hmmm, AP I think u have some valid points. It doesnt matter what people think of our ideas, it''s what we want to do. Not many of us here are profesional devlopers, so we are not restricted make games to sell.

I am a Nintendo loyalist myself, and enjoy most of there games. As for kiddie, they only enforced it on the N64. They themselves have even lightened up on that rule. Take Conkers bad fur day. As NinLoy, I apprectiate games on other machines, but for me it''s philosophy. So don''t be hard on ppl who are loyalist to a machine, I have found that ignorance is strogner with PS2 owners. But I suspect this is based on the most popular machine.

So to AP, don''t be hard on judgement. There maybe factors that go unknown behind ppls decisions.

Golden, doesnt matter what other ppl think. Make what is fun for you. Will it sell?
Miyamoto only makes games that he finds found. He certainly took alot of flak with the new Zelda, and still is going through with it regardless.

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I personally think that is it a good idea…
But, it’s hard for me to picture a serous MUKY that is serous and is like the ppls in Resident Evil.

Monkeys are just soooo cute and wild and junk… ya know what I mean?


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Well, I said my title was mature. None of that kiddiness. The monkeys use their fist and guys as their weapon. Like Resident Evil, but with monkeys as the leading role. Also, with better controls.


Bah, lighten up.

Let''s hear more of a story. The AP was right in that the player character itself doesn''t affect gameplay. What''s this monkey doing there? Why? Oh, the simianity...

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I would call your main character an ''ape'' or ''gorilla'', not a monkey. Monkey sounds..."kiddey". I can see a "planet of the apes" type character in riot gear. Here''s the trick, if it''s going to be ''weird'' or ''original'' it''s also got to be believe-able. Dig? The storyline would have to explain a lot of the weirdness so the player can accept it. Nowadays we need originality. So many videogames hurt for it. Don''t be afraid to put something out. There are going to be morons out there who don''t like what you do. There always will. But have you seen some of the games out there? Seems there isn''t much thought going into them anymore. Off the soapbox...

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Hahahah, its not my real idea though. Just wanted feedback. A high selling game is important man. The game developments virtually work for the public. They must make games that are appeal to the public. Making a game that ONLY you think rocks is a bad thing. You might be the only person in the world who likes a certain idea. A serious monkey shooting zombies won''t sell.

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It might be a good game, but i don''t think people would give it a chance. I mean they would look at it as donky kong in a police uniform.

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Original post by Golden Bunny
Hahahah, its not my real idea though. Just wanted feedback. A high selling game is important man. The game developments virtually work for the public. They must make games that are appeal to the public. Making a game that ONLY you think rocks is a bad thing. You might be the only person in the world who likes a certain idea. A serious monkey shooting zombies won''t sell.


Well, that depends on your outlook. What you say is perfectly valid, but your outlook is that games should be making money.

Many people consider games a form of art.

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True, I know what you mean. It is the year 4014 and all of the monkeys in the world have evolved. They have taken over earth and all humans have been extinct. Most of the powerful human spirits are angry that monkeys have taken over. So they want to take over earth once more. The zombies(the dead humans from 2000 years ago) want to re-claim their spot as the superior species on earth. So they come back as zombies torturing all of the monkeys across the world. It is up to Officer Brad(the starring monkey) and his partner Officer Michaels(another monkey) to stop these zombies. The game starts with a 911 phone call from a civilians who says "the zombies are breaking in my house", the cops respond to the emergency phone call and went to check out the address(which is a mansion). As soon as the officers walk in, they hear a female scream. They go to the back and thats where the game begins.

The two monkeys wear bullet proof vest apparently.

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Err. that is NOT original. The only things that are different about that is the fact a monkey is the main character, and its in the future. It is featured IN a mansion, and someone cried for help, which is like the fact the bravo(alpha?) team got lost in the mansion/forest. Dont think i would be addicted to that, considering my gamecube game is original + fast (since most PC''s arent as capable as games make it to be, although mine is good enough). I am goin to get started on my game soon... although its not totally original... havent started on story yet (its a 3d pokemon clone different levels, monsters etc...). Working on different aspects of the programming now so i can piece it togehter (opengl).

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At first glance, your suggestion strikes me as a gimmick. It''s like a mistake I would see many beginning writers making. Of course I couldn''t say much more without hearing the details of your design, but just coming up with "Let''s make Half-Life with frogs holding the guns with their feet" just sounds like it''s pie in the sky stuff, with very little thought going into what the game is going to be and how it''s going to play. If you are just goofing around wondering what would be cool, that''s one thing, but if you think that is serious game design, that''s quiet different.

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*yawn*

*repeats himself*

This is not a real idea I came up with. I just wanted feedback and though it would be cool(as you call it, "goofing around"). Thats all. I have some serious ideas that I feel won''t make it. I will post the storyline for it shortly.

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Then why don''t you tell us this **REAL** idea you have and stop wasting our time with this dickoff, half-brained idea you came up with in 12 minutes while hotgluing a cardboard box to your forehead in shop class.

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AP, shut up or take a name. Stop flamebaiting.

GB: no idea is too stupid. A game might be too stupid, sure - but not an idea.

This is a game writing forum. As such, it encompasses all aspects of writing - real and surreal. Go ahead and tell us your idea, I know at least I will do my best to evaluate it on its own ground. The worst that can happen is that it''s no good.



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I''m going to post my worst idea. Since AP might steal it. This is a 3D fighting game that I had in mind. Heres the storyline.

A long time ago in the Planet Earth there was a group of people who practice a popular religion called the Tarisna. The people who practice the religion are called Tarisism they would gather once a week to worship their God Maroking. 14 Million years after the Earths creation Maroking sent his holy son to earth to warn the people of earth what was going to happen in the future. His son was named Masroka, Maroking sent Masroka down as a grown man. A few months after the arrival of Masroka, some people didn''t beleive he was sent by Maroking. But yet he had a few disiples. People thought he was crazy. His disiples beleived his words and wrote it down in a book called the Bonny. Masroka lived in earth for 2 years and 5 months. When he was done telling his disiples what he needs to. Maroking brought him back up.

Now 3 Milliniums(3000 years) later the Tarisna religion became a smaller religion because of the controverse surrounding Masroka. Archaeologist were looking for dinosaur fossils and instead found the Bonny. After they discover the Bonny undergound they re-writen the whole book and publish it. After that the Tarisna Religion was revive into popularity. The next generation of Tarisism people read the holy book once a week during worship survice in church.

One day during Mass. Father Mukata read the words from the Bonny. In the Bonny it said that 3 Milliniums after the arrival of Masroka an uncontrolable Alien race will come to earth and try to take over the planet. The people in the church were terrified about the Father''s speech. 2 years and 5 months later in the state of Navada. The people celebrated Masroka aniverserary. While the ceremony was going. 35 miles away from the ceremony in a local news radiostation the reporter said that in a Ohio Lab. They have detected Aliens on their satelite rader.

So the government send out special fighters to destroy the aliens once they arrive on earth.
In a excerpt from the Bonny it said:
"A force so powerful nor missile could destroy, A force so big nor humans could avoid."
Masroka also said:
"12 Young soldier will be call upon their destiny, as they destroy the Aliens it will be mark down as history"
12 young soldiers on earth are possessed with special powers that are strong enough to destroy the aliens. 4 of them are in America, 4 of them are from Japan, 1 from Antartica, 1 from Germany, and 2 of them are in China. The American government join them together to fight!


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yes, you are right, that is a pretty bad idea.

All it is is christianity revamped and redone with a few minor changes and a very local perspective on the world.

In order to make a good storyline, you must have a broad perspective on what is happening. The world has to react, not just the microcosm of a city/town/state.

do some broad thinking and redo that storyline so it isn''t as empty as it now appears.

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