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  1. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      So why not do the nodding instead? Surely it's more trouble to whip out the phone and start browsing?   The nodding thing means "yeah we're done" and suddenly browsing Facebook is more like "I don't give a shit, go away", which is definitely more rude.
  2. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      Right, I only hinted at it with [i]"I guess that somewhere along the line it became more important to let the world know you are at a restaurant than actually being there."[/i] I didn't really plan on discussing it this far on this forum, but sometimes things just happen.   There are two problems as I see it, one is the annoying stage where people do it without being addicted. But for those who are susceptible the dopamine rush of getting yet another Like on Facebook is addictive. Social media addiction is a real thing, as easily verified with Google. And now you can carry the syringe wherever you go.     We're not built to handle it. We need body language and facial cues to fully understand and appreciate what's going on.     There is nothing to add there that I noticed. If I don't reply it's because I either agree or think it was either discussed by others already or just not interesting. The fact that it doesn't occur when the conversation is interesting doesn't really change that it does occur, you know.     I'm going to offer no such thing, I'll deal with them and myself as I see appropriate outside the confines of this thread.
  3. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      None of those options is the correct one. If you don't like the conversation you at least pretend to listen. However, seeing that you do not even understand the point of small talk I doubt you can understand why even if I tried to explain.
  4. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      I disagree that addiction to the cellphone is not harmful. If it becomes too widespread, it can have unforeseen consequences for us all.   Let's take addiction to porn as an example. On the surface it seems harmless enough, but it is already having consequences that could lead to a disaster and soon.   Changes in the rules of the sexual market dynamic that I won't go into detail about have caused particularly younger men to get a raw deal. The short version is that it's harder than ever for young men to find a partner. The tail end of these changes coincided with the free availability of high-quality internet porn. A lot of young men, when faced with the option of playing with the new, more difficult, hand or just going online for instant gratification with the help of women more beautiful than he will ever meet in real life will choose the easy way.   This further lowers marriage rates and more importantly already record low birth rates. The potential end of this is a nation with few younger people who must support an elderly population. Unsustainable.     I respect your honest opinion.
  5. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

    This is another fine example of passive-aggressive behavior. If you are offended just say it outright instead of sugarcoating it. It will feel better.
  6. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      If I was with you when you said this, I'd nod, smile, and turn back to my phone.   People are actually entitled to do whatever the hell they want as long as they are not hurting others, including feeling absolutely no compulsion to engage socially or make others feel better with social small talk. If you don't like it, no problem, go find other people to talk to who suit you better.   But the idea that we should shame those who prefer to live life at a distance from others in a quiet way is absurd.     One reason that people sometimes look down on this kind of behavior is that is a passive-aggressive action. It is not only a hostile action that says "well, I don't really wanna be with you anyways", it's also the weakest form of communicating that. And people tend to not respect weakness either.   If this sounds like a great plan of action then you are certainly free to carry on. I would recommend as a better plan to not hang out with people at all when you don't feel like it, just turn the invitation down. And if you actually feel like it, commit to doing it as well as you can for that short time. This will make not only yourself but also those around you feel a lot better.
  7. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      I actually looked it up in several dictionaries, and they all pretty much say the same thing.  Where are you getting your definitions from?         It's hard to accurately discuss a subject with people who seem to make up their own definitions of terms.    Try this for starters. There are references at the end of the article.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion
  8. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      If you think that, then perhaps you need to look those two words up in a dictionary.  Actually, I'll do it for you:   introvert noun a shy, reticent person.   extrovert noun an outgoing, socially confident person.     Your dictionary is wrong, shyness is mild fear of social situations. Introversion alone implies no such thing even though a lot of people (even dictionary writers apparently) think so because the two often appear together.   How about discussing the topic instead?
  9. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      Really? I thought you already agreed that introversion/extroversion only has to do with where you get your energy. Do you even know where you are going with this yourself anymore?   Your attitude to change sounds very defeatist. Personally I thought this smartphone behavior would stop once the novelty wore off, but it hasn't happened yet. I think it's the addiction mechanism kicking in. Addiction to constant validation. Awareness of this must be raised. It needs to become shameful, just like gaming addiction is.     Introversion and extroversion also impact how people interact and socialize. I travel around my region by car a fair bit, and can happily sit quietly for hours on end. This tends to unnerve several of my overly extroverted friends who can't understand how I can just sit there without having to talk or say anything. It becomes even more apparent when I'm traveling with two or three other strong introverts and an extrovert, especially compared to trips without the extrovert. Guess which times "uncomfortable" or "awkward" silence gets mentioned? I've taken eight our drives where the only words spoken after the first fifteen minutes were about directions, and whether anyone needed to stop for a bathroom break.    Introverts usually don't complain that other people are 'socially inept' because they don't insist on talking endlessly about useless junk no one gives a damn about. That is something extroverts like to whine and complain about. It is however, their problem, not mine, when they're uncomfortable about a silence, and if they're going to act like a jerk about it then I'm not going to lift a finger to help them.     It is perfectly acceptable socially to remain quiet in a car, because everyone's face is facing the same direction and you are all waiting for something else to happen when you reach your destination. Sure, you answer if someone talks to you, but there is no need to start a conversation if you don't feel like it. You should inform your friends of this. And I once again inform that this is not an introversion/extroversion thing, so you can lay it to rest.     It may seem like fun and games to you, but addiction is no joke. Not only is it a personal tragedy for those who become a victim, what is worse is that it seems to become more and more common. If it becomes too common, it can have both economical and cultural consequences for the entire society. And it is also annoying.
  10. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      Really? I thought you already agreed that introversion/extroversion only has to do with where you get your energy. Do you even know where you are going with this yourself anymore?   Your attitude to change sounds very defeatist. Personally I thought this smartphone behavior would stop once the novelty wore off, but it hasn't happened yet. I think it's the addiction mechanism kicking in. Addiction to constant validation. Awareness of this must be raised. It needs to become shameful, just like gaming addiction is.
  11. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      So you know this already and just did not get that it is more rude to speak badly about your friends than just not looking at them?   I have no idea why you think they are using the phone because of some introversion/extroversion thing. They're using it because they want to be on facebook all the time. If I had to guess, I would say most of the people who are doing it are extroverts.   It's very common here in Sweden. As Olof said, they even have a new word for it now.
  12. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      Introversion/extroversion has nothing to do with how sociable, shallow or shy you are or not.   Introverts charge their batteries with time alone. Extroverts charge their batteries by being around other people. That is all.
  13. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

    How is this working out for you? What do you get out of being intentionally rude except the questionable pleasure of being seen as the grumpy guy?
  14. Smartphones/facebook - gone too far?

      And many introverts find it highly rude and annoying with extroverts expect everyone to act like extroverts.   If there is an engaging conversation going on, I've found that most people will remain engaged in it. When conversation becomes boring and people run out of things to talk about? Out come the phones till someone finds something interesting to share and conversation resumes.    If you often find yourself surrounded by people who don't want to engage with you in conversation... Maybe you should try providing a higher quality conversation rather than blaming them and getting mad.   Introvert is not the same thing as being socially inept. Have you checked to see if you have Asperger's?
  15. Noticed how a lot of people somehow lost whatever little manners they have left? They don't think it's strange or rude to just sit there with their faces buried in their smartphones even in supposedly social situations. They don't even have qualms about suddenly stopping talking even mid-sentence to stare at the phone.   A while ago I was at a restaurant with a group of friends. It didn't take long before one of the girls whipped out the phone and was completely absorbed by it. I guess it was Facebook as usual. One by one at the table followed suit. I was getting mildly annoyed and looked around in the restaurant, which was slightly more than half-full. I swear, every single person in the room was actually sitting there staring at a smartphone. I guess that somewhere along the line it became more important to let the world know you are at a restaurant than actually being there.   Anyways, I find this behavior rude and annoying.   Food for discussion: Have you noticed this too? Does it annoy you? How can this be happening? Is it because the communists are trying to poison our bodily fluids or something? Are you doing it yourself? Why? Is there anything that can be done? Maybe I should just give up, pretend no one taught me manners, and just start doing it myself too? Discuss.