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    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by POWA Creations Most big religions where created in a time of crisis. Christianity was cerated when the peaple of Jerusalem needed a messias to rebel agenst the Roman Empire. This caught my eye from your post. Now I dont know how do you believe but it seems that you are misinformed. You see Jesus came to save and rebelling against the roman empire was never his intent.
  2. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by polly Quote: Another possibility: Maybe God put these stories in the hearts of mankind so that when the real savior showed up, we would recognize Him. I understand your need for belief in a God, but mankind will never truly be ready for anything great until will we give up fearing cruel ancient ghosts, gods and spirits, and take responsibility for our own fate. There is no God, and this is a good thing; for the God described in the bible and koran is an evil, hate-filled monster. Some of the Gnostic sects thought as much, but they really believed he was real. Interesting that you mention taking responsibility for our own fate, because that's just the turning point that took me to Christ. I saw that it's us who have lived without God and gone so badly astray that we have become worthless. So it was great to find out by reading the Bible that all God wants is to forgive us because He loves us. And this makes sense to me because He created us and we belong to Him. I dont know about koran, havent read it, but to me it seems that we deserve all the wrath that you can find from the Bible and what, God actually wants to save us from that wrath! It's like Dad teaching his children what will happen if they choose not his advice to stay out from the evil, breaking the law, or they will be put in to jail.
  3. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Omegavolt Quote:Original post by HappyCoder Yes that was his plan. What should be his plan have everybody live in a happy perfect state their entire life having a perfect knowledge of God and living blissfully until they die and when the meet God he asks them "Did you have fun on earth child?" And with childish expression we reply, "Oh, yes I did father" Then God responds, "Good, now welcome to heaven" Now if life worked like that then why would we even be here. That would be like God running a preschool only we would probably learn more in a preschool. This life in meant to be a test and also for us to grow. I like how you left out the part of my post which explained how the fact that He put out a Bible means He wanted everyone to know He existed. Obviously if God put a Bible on Earth and expected everyone to follow its doctrine, He intended for everyone to know about and worship Him. Yet, as you said, everyone blissfully worshipping isn't a very meaningful existence, so which is it? Does God want everyone to worship Him or not? And if not, then why am I going to Hell for not believing? And I don't want to quote what you said because it's not what the Bible says. For example the serpent did not say to Eve claiming that God would have lied. But he said: "..., Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? ". So I cannot respond to what you wrote because it's not based on facts. But I would like to try and answer this question quoted. I believe we can see that world was created and has creator from the nature of it and our selfs. But if people want to deny this they cannot deny the fact that God did give the Bible so that may we find out the truth. So it seems to me that these things alone wont force you to blindly believe and if you want to believe God will give you the assurance of His existence by the spirit. Perhaps this is still blind faith in the sense you meant but it's not blind in the sense that when you have seen the evidence once you dont have to look at the evidence at all times in order to believe or to remember it. That's what faith is hope in what cannot be seen because it has been proved by the spirit. Well that's just how I would put it, see Heb 11:1 for scripture.
  4. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by King of Men So, do you hate your father and mother, or are you going to hell? No I don't and no. Quote:Original post by King of MenDo you permit women to speak in church? Yes I do. There is no reason to stop the women from speaking in our church that have spoken so far. Quote:Original post by King of Men Do you think a slave should love his master? Yes, love is better than hate.
  5. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Kaze id like to extend the "blind faith argument" The thing is that it might work for those of you who grew up hearing it but how does it for the people that aren't already versed in Christianity the main problem is that Christianity isn't the only religion that uses the arguments of "you need to have faith", "(insert deity here) works in mysterious way", "i know because i can feel it" and "our book is full of truths" with so many and often times vastly different belief systems why should a 3rd part see truth in one particular religion or even in any religion. furthermore what is the purpose of this. Hmm I'm not sure if I understand the question. But if some one says "(insert deity here) works in mysterious way", that is not me. Because while at the moment we can have big questions I also believe God gives the answers because He does not want to leave us ignorant. And "i know because i can feel it" is only temporary as long as we live here on earth so Im not basing too much on it either. And "our book is full of truths" in my view Bible is book of/about truth, not just few things that make sense, but the Word is fully truth.
  6. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by skittleo Quote:Original post by GCoda Quote:Original post by skittleo Good response! Thanks. What about happiness though? Would you say your faith make you a happier person? (^ anyone else can answer that if they want) I was happy when I was saved and after that. Now I wouldn't say that I'm unhappy but I view life different way and the meaning of happiness. Because Jesus gives peace unlike this world gives and I have hope for better and that is in heaven with God. So you're happy now but it's for different reasons than it used to be? And the happiness is more like a peace or contentment, right? But doesn't it bother you when you see so many non-believers that are otherwise good honest people (even on these forums) blindly living their lives without God here on earth, and you know they're going to be in pain forever after they die and they don't even know it? Don't you feel bad for them because they just aren't seeing the bigger picture, and maybe all it would take is someone just sitting down and talking to them? There's so many of them too that the cause seems hopeless. That would bother me a lot I think and I'm not sure if I could be happy. I'm just not sure. It does bother me, I feel bad about this and can't be happy about it. But I thank God that it's His will that every one will be saved and that Jesus died for their sins that they maybe saved by believing in Him. We can be saved only by faith and nothing else is needed, that is God's grace.
  7. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by skittleo Good response! Thanks. What about happiness though? Would you say your faith make you a happier person? (^ anyone else can answer that if they want) I was happy when I was saved and after that. Now I wouldn't say that I'm unhappy but I view life different way and the meaning of happiness. Because Jesus gives peace unlike this world gives and I have hope for better and that is in heaven with God.
  8. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Hi templewulf, in response to your question to me: Quote:Original post by templewulf Shouldn't you be reading it in Finnish anyway? The older finnish translation is what I have been reading mostly but it appears to me that KJV is better. And I have been comparing between quite a few translations but as this is quite big topic of it's own I'd just say that I trust KJV mostly and despise many other translations.
  9. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Crazyfool Quote:Original post by GCoda Quote:Original post by Nathan Baum Quote:Original post by GCoda See if you read that verse in the context of the Bible you should at least notice that the message is different, from what Capoeirista's quotion has, which is some one's conclusion of something and not God's word. Link to KJV Bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021:19-22;&version=9; Is the KJV Bible God's word? It's a book where the words that came from God are written. Which were first translated to english from the original texts. Absolutely untrue. English is waaaaaay down the line of translations. Hmm sorry I meant to say that KJV was translated from the original texts and not claiming that it would be the first english translation.
  10. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Capoeirista Quote:Original post by GCoda Why would he be punished no matter how quickly the servant passes away, since "he is his money"? Ah now that was a slight misunderstanding on my part. I've been thinking about it and doing some reading and it actually says that if a man beats a slave to death he should be punished, unless the slave gets up after a day or two. So it's OK to beat your slaves to the point of death (because they belong to you - "he is his money", just so long as they recover. Nice. I thought that this was covered in my last post but perhaps it's my english why there is still this confusion. I hope you read carefully what I said and read the KJV translation of the Bible more than just some. What you just said about beating slaves to death doesn't make sense to me because first of all it doesnt say that in the Bible as I have shown you already and your conclusion about the matter is still wrong. Perhaps this is because you are reading some odd translation, again? I higly suggest to read the KJV. Quote:Original post by Capoeirista Lets have a look at another verse from the bible, see if we can gain some positive light from it : Leviticus 20:13 : If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. That's not very nice is it? No not nice at all.
  11. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Capoeirista Quote:Original post by GCoda What I'm thinking is that you might have wrong conclusion about the message in those verses because you quote just few verses out from their context and you say that "God doesn't want justice". Now I cannot possibly know why you say that, not based on the verses you quoted, even I have some idea it's impossible for me to know how you really see the message in those verses. So I would like to suggest that if you like discuss about these specific verses in the Bible or about Bible in general then please state your view and/or ask questions. I specifically chose those quotes because the sentiment that they put forward cannot be excused or justified by any context whatsoever; the acts described are just plain offensive. So anything offensive is not justice? Quote:Original post by Capoeirista What can the message in these verses possibly be? How can you possibly interpret "It's OK to kill your slaves so long as they die slowly." as a good message to send out to people? That is your or some one's conclusion. Please let me ask you questions then if you dont want to tell me why do you "end up" or agreed on such a conclusion. Let's look at the verses again from the KJV Bible: Quote: Exo 21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. What in this verse says that the man did intent to kill his servant (with a rod)? What does the words "and he die under his hand" say to you? What does it mean to die under one's hand? Should it be more apropretiate here to say "by his hand" instead of "under his hand". For me it seems that he would receive a treatment under his hand, as there was never intention to kill. Quote: Exo 21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. Why would he be punished no matter how quickly the servant passes away, since "he is his money"? I would also ask why is this so, if there would not be the previous verse (Exo 21:20). I hope this makes you reconsider the message in those verses, and I wish to hear from you what you think.
  12. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Nathan Baum Quote:Original post by GCoda See if you read that verse in the context of the Bible you should at least notice that the message is different, from what Capoeirista's quotion has, which is some one's conclusion of something and not God's word. Link to KJV Bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021:19-22;&version=9; Is the KJV Bible God's word? It's a book where the words that came from God are written. Which were first translated to english from the original texts.
  13. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by skittleo Quote:Original post by GCoda What I'm thinking is that you might have wrong conclusion about the message in those verses because you quote just few verses out from their context and you say that "God doesn't want justice". Yet I hear believers quoting verses out of their context ALL the time? Yes there is nothing wrong about quoting verses properly according to the message. But quoting single verses allows you to give the words various messages, if we forget the context.
  14. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Capoeirista I mean no offence, but have you actually read the bible? God doesn't want justice; People want to use god as an excuse for the the atrocities they commit in the name of their own versions of justice. That's an valid question, I am not offended. But as I meant to imply at my last post, yes I have and I have read those verses and the verses around them and if I'm not mistaken that means I have read them in context. What I'm thinking is that you might have wrong conclusion about the message in those verses because you quote just few verses out from their context and you say that "God doesn't want justice". Now I cannot possibly know why you say that, not based on the verses you quoted, even I have some idea it's impossible for me to know how you really see the message in those verses. So I would like to suggest that if you like discuss about these specific verses in the Bible or about Bible in general then please state your view and/or ask questions.
  15. GCoda

    Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Capoeirista These quotes are only a fraction of my reasoning for not beleiving in Christianity, but they do illustrate the point; If the word of god is good, and the bible is the word of god then I want nothing to do with it. I remember reading verse's from the Bible that also talked about slaves and beasts and about the law, but those verse references your quations point at, are not from the Bible. See if you read that verse in the context of the Bible you should at least notice that the message is different, from what Capoeirista's quotion has, which is some one's conclusion of something and not God's word. So don't let your hope go down, God wants justice and not the innocent to be punished. Link to KJV Bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021:19-22;&version=9;
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