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  1. circular Big Bang theory

    Quote:Original post by ApochPiQ That's the point - space doesn't expand "into" anything, because space itself is what is expanding. Take a sheet of graph paper - the kind with the little regular grid of blue lines on it. Now draw some shapes on it. Now imagine each little square expanding, so that its sides are, say, 30% longer. Now extend this process to three dimensions; this is spatial expansion. Ok, but while you're expanding your little blue-lined squares inside the shape, the boundary of the shape gets bigger. Soon the shape will be bigger than the paper is wide, even though the squares inside the shape take up the same percentage of it as they originally did. I understand spatial expanision, what I'm trying to figure out is the fact that while space inside the visible universe is expanding, at its boundaries, the shape continues to get larger, taking up more 3D space. What was in that space before our visible universe got there? Or, to use your analogy, when the shape is larger than the paper, what was in all those other squares on the sheet before the shape outgrew them?
  2. circular Big Bang theory

    Quote:Original post by Promit Quote:Original post by Omegavolt The very fact that the universe is expanding implies that it is indeed expanding INTO something.No, no it doesn't. Oh, well, I guess thats settled eh? No need to ask anymore questions about the universe, just consult my Magic 8-Ball, and all will be revealed, right? Or perhaps you can explain WHY you think that. Look, we can go on about discussions of hyperspheres and 4D spheres to explain the universe, but heres what I can tell you. If our universe was once smaller than it is now, then it is now BIGGER and must have obtained some amount of 3D space that was not there before. Where did this 3D space come from? Where is it getting the 3D space that was not there 20 seconds ago? History has proven our universe only extends out as far as our telescopes can see. We've had to revise the size, and therefore the age of the universe, continually since we stared looking up. It is complete arrogance to assume that we have the right distance and age now.
  3. circular Big Bang theory

    The universe cannot be finite. A finite object in 3D space is contained by more 3D space. The very fact that the universe is expanding implies that it is indeed expanding INTO something. And thats if it actually IS expanding. Sure, we've seen Doppler effects of light, but if all galaxies are moving away from each other, how are there galactic collisions which we've seen evidence for? And to top it all off, cosmologists are resorting to adding X factors into their theories. If gravity pulls all matter together, then how are galaxies expanding faster and faster? They say, "Well there must be some extra energy somewhere in the universe causing this. Must be DARK energy. Lets go find it!" NO, how about you continue to observe and revise your theory? Stop wasting millions on something that might not be there and stop clinging to theories when they refuse to fully explain what we're seeing.
  4. Man shelf

    You must have a DREMEL! Also, some poker chips! :D
  5. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by LachlanL If he said that because of his experience alone everyone else must accept X, Y, Z, then you would have an argument for considering him arrogant. From his post, he only seemed to be indicating why he made his personal choice. As for delusion, I don't see why Omegavolt is in a position to be able to characterize it as such. He wasn't even a witness to whatever events we are talking about. Such details rarely get in the way of (some) atheists dismissing things this way. I see arrogance in his statement because he casually dismisses all other religions as not true, and that the one that he decides is real takes precedence. It also seems delusional because the 'evidence' he uses to assert Christianity as the One True Religion is not even based on empirical evidence. Just some STILL undescribed events which lead him to believe as such, which, as nilkn and TZ have pointed out, might not be what he thought it was to begin with.
  6. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Machaira Quote:Original post by nilkn Why Christianity? A blind assertion that Christianity has the one true creation story means nothing. All the creation stories, including Christianity, contain a host of unverifiable, unfalsifiable claims, so it puzzles me indeed that you claim to know that Christianity is absolute truth and, with the same confidence, that all the others are rubbish. Because I've seen and experienced God's power. Having a relationship with God is not something that can be easily explained nor dismissed as an imagination. Wow. So what you're saying is that since YOU'VE seen something that you attribute to God, then therefore, Christianity is the one true religion? I can't tell what that statement displays more: arrogance or delusion. I, for one, would most certainly LOVE to hear what you've seen and experienced as "God's power". I'm guessing that since it was enough to convince you that it was God, it should be easy enough to relate.
  7. Do you believe in god?

    These posts are getting a bit LENGTHY in their quotes and quotes of quotes, so I'll just sum up a few more issues I have instead of quoting anyone directly. If God is real, He made the world as it was today. I find it completely contradicting that God can be all-powerful, yet still allow Satan to rule in Hell. Apologize over it all you want, but the fact remains: God wants Satan around. He would have destroyed Satan long ago if this were not the case. Right? Right. Lets look at the Garden of Eden. Supposedly this paradise that God took the time to make for us, yet he before he even made the universe and everything in it that Adam and Eve would screw it up for everyone. Now obviously, if God wanted creatures that would not defy Him, He would have made different ones. Or maybe, I don't know, not tempt us with knowledge, or hey! here's a thought, not let Satan in the Garden of Eden. Of course we can surmise from my first paragraph that God and Satan are buddy-buddy, so it kind of makes sense. How else to make your children disobey you super quick than to have someone there to tempt you right? God gave us free will to choose, but instead of letting us make up our own minds, He let Satan in there give us a big fat push in the wrong direction. Now you can say, "Well, God wants us to have free will and we chose to do the wrong thing." Aside from the fact that Adam and Eve clearly ARE NOT stupid yet somehow believed a talking snake instead of listening to God claim they would die, lets talk about how God handles free will. Christians claim God doenst want us to blindly worship Him and lets us choose. But for some reason, this isn't OK in Heaven. In Heaven, we don't get free will. Everyone knows God exists, so everyone will blindly worship. As Heaven is the end goal of all good Christians, it can be determined that God clearly WANTS everyone to worship Him, so why not here? Why not pop out of the sky and get it over with? He loves us so much He gives us free will on Earth, but in Heaven its BOW TO YOUR MASTER? Preposterous.
  8. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Machaira Quote:Original post by Omegavolt Please don't lose sight of the question though because I want to hear a decent response from a Christian on this. If God knew humanity would be fallen before He made Adam and Eve but He made them anyway, then isn't your ability to sin and our being Atheists desirable to God? No. Bible quote that has no relevance to the question snipped. Yes. Are you saying that things in this universe happen that God did not intend? Of course not, He's omnipotent, right? So, does God want Satan around? Yes. Does God want Atheists and sinners? Yes. But yet I go to Hell for eternity for the failure of my elders and peers to explain this God thing correctly. HUH?!? Quote:Original post by Machaira Quote:Original post by Omegavolt And if its not desirable, then why would God create us to begin with? Because he wanted to? Then why am I going to Hell for being a part of His desired creation? Quote:Original post by Machaira Quote:Original post by Omegavolt He knew Adam and Eve would screw up before He even made them, so why bother? Because he wanted to? Then He didn't want a perfect creation and no one will be punished for being what God intended. Or God isn't real. You pick. Quote:Original post by Machaira Quote:Original post by Omegavolt And if thats an easy answer, then please, PLEASE tell me why God punished all of humanity for the mistake of one person. I've answered this. Look back a couple of my posts. You said that we aren't being punished for what they did, but for the result of what they did. So basically youre saying that it wasnt their action that caused Original Sin, but God's reaction to what they did that caused Original Sin. Oh, well, that makes lots of sense. Pfft.
  9. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Machaira I'd gladly answer good questions. Unfortunately they're few and far between around here. My question from page 46 has still been unanswered. Quote:Please don't lose sight of the question though because I want to hear a decent response from a Christian on this. If God knew humanity would be fallen before He made Adam and Eve but He made them anyway, then isn't your ability to sin and our being Atheists desirable to God? And if its not desirable, then why would God create us to begin with? He knew Adam and Eve would screw up before He even made them, so why bother? And if thats an easy answer, then please, PLEASE tell me why God punished all of humanity for the mistake of one person.
  10. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by Alpha_ProgDes Quote:Original post by Omegavolt Please don't lose sight of the question though because I want to hear a decent response from a Christian on this. If God knew humanity would be fallen before He made Adam and Eve but He made them anyway, then isn't your ability to sin and our being Atheists desirable to God? And if its not desirable, then why would God create us to begin with? He knew Adam and Eve would screw up before He even made them, so why bother? And if thats an easy answer, then please, PLEASE tell me why God punished all of humanity for the mistake of one person. Would it be better if I said that the Original Sin tainted humanity and is now apart of all us. Therefore through that inherited Sin, we all have to spiritually find ourselves back to the Lord. If you consider religion a path (yes even atheism), then all paths lead to Rome. No, I'm afraid it wouldn't be better. Thanks Adam and Eve for paving my path to hellfire and brimstone. Maybe you're OK with being blamed for something you didn't do, but to me its proof enough that the story in Genesis is completely false. What loving God would dismantle the future of His ENTIRE creation because the first two screwed up? It sounds like a gigantic gap in logic that someone made a long time ago to explain sin and death and painful childbirth, etc. Still waiting for that decent answer.
  11. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by n8hanson Sorry, I didn't realize that in a public forum you were only allowed to speak when spoken to. My bad. I didnt say you had to speak when spoken to, cripes. I said you thrust yourself into the argument, when I was making statements about what HappyCoder was saying, not YOUR beliefs in general. So instead of backreading and getting all your info, I had to regurgitate it. Quote:Original post by n8hanson That's not what I read into HappyCoder's statement...but maybe I'm wrong. The description of living with a perfect knowledge of God and living blissfully is exactly what Heaven will be like. But it wouldn't be Heaven if we had no choice in the matter. Which is why I cringe everytime someone tells me how fabulous Heaven will be. Seems A-OK in Heaven, but God doesn't want perfect knowledge down here for some reason. If He does want that down here, then why not just show Himself to us and be done with it? Quote:Original post by n8hanson Don't worry - it's not you that "keeps us from being these programmed robots" as if you have to sacrificially chose Hell so that the rest of us can choose Heaven. You act like you are locked in to eternal damnation. You are not. Recognize your sin, turn to God and repent. He wants nothing more than for you to be with Him, living blissfully forever. But you can't bring your sin with you. I act like I'm locked in?!?!?! HAHAHA, dude, I don't believe in Hell. I don't think that at all. This is what Christians are telling me. I would rather just become worm food if its all the same to you. Please don't lose sight of the question though because I want to hear a decent response from a Christian on this. If God knew humanity would be fallen before He made Adam and Eve but He made them anyway, then isn't your ability to sin and our being Atheists desirable to God? And if its not desirable, then why would God create us to begin with? He knew Adam and Eve would screw up before He even made them, so why bother? And if thats an easy answer, then please, PLEASE tell me why God punished all of humanity for the mistake of one person.
  12. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by n8hanson A) Of course Christians have different ways of seeing things. We are human beings with free will... B) I don't think on this issue that we disagree. I'm not clear on where HappyCoder's quote "God doesn't want everyone to worship Him..." came from. Are you sure you didn't paraphrase him, or misunderstand him? C) My answer refers to God's perfect will: if it were possible, God would have all men repent and enter a relationship with him. That's why God made us: for a relationship with him. Seeing as you just thrust yourself into my and HappyCoder's argument, I'll have to regurgitate. I'm suggesting this: God knew when He made Adam and Eve with free will that they would fail. For some reason He sees fit to curse all of humanity with death for this. So God, in knowing this, could have decided not to make Adam and Eve and instead make Maddy and Steve who would not eat the apple and maintain His perfect creation. But He doesn't. He wanted humanity to be fallen. The reason HappyCoder gave for this is because He doesn't want everyone worshipping Him. Quote:Original post by HappyCoder Yes that was his plan. What should be his plan have everybody live in a happy perfect state their entire life having a perfect knowledge of God and living blissfully until they die Sounds to me like HappyCoder realizes that having all people worship God = a meaningless existence for us. Quote:Original post by n8hanson Apparently God's reasoning is: true love with some (but not all) is better than programmed robots. Maybe you realize that as well? To which I'm asking, again, Why should I be punished for eternity in Hell for being a portion of humanity that keeps us from being these programmed robots God thinks is so bad?
  13. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by n8hanson Quote:Original post by Omegavolt Does God want everyone to worship Him or not? And if not, then why am I going to Hell for not believing? Yes, God wants everyone to worship Him. You and HappyCoder need to get your stories straight. I can't argue a point if I have one Christian claiming one thing and another claiming the opposite. Seriously, Christianity would hold a lot more respect in Atheists eyes if you all could just come to some agreement about your religion and stick with it. 'God wants everyone to worship Him...' 'God doesn't want everyone to worship Him...' *sigh* Its not worth the effort.
  14. Do you believe in god?

    Quote:Original post by HappyCoder Yes that was his plan. What should be his plan have everybody live in a happy perfect state their entire life having a perfect knowledge of God and living blissfully until they die and when the meet God he asks them "Did you have fun on earth child?" And with childish expression we reply, "Oh, yes I did father" Then God responds, "Good, now welcome to heaven" Now if life worked like that then why would we even be here. That would be like God running a preschool only we would probably learn more in a preschool. This life in meant to be a test and also for us to grow. I like how you left out the part of my post which explained how the fact that He put out a Bible means He wanted everyone to know He existed. Obviously if God put a Bible on Earth and expected everyone to follow its doctrine, He intended for everyone to know about and worship Him. Yet, as you said, everyone blissfully worshipping isn't a very meaningful existence, so which is it? Does God want everyone to worship Him or not? And if not, then why am I going to Hell for not believing? Quote:Original post by Mithrandir This incident showed me something: people are quick to misunderstand the workings of the world around them, and tend to attribute things that they think are far more improbable than they actually are to a higher power. Absolutely. They need proof God exists. And if they aren't getting it from the multitudes of unanswered prayers, they will attribute things to Him just to get the proof they need.
  15. Do you believe in god?

    God giving us free will makes sense today, but one must wonder what God was thinking when He first created Adam and Eve. Here He has two beings that He created as perfect, yet before He even made them, He KNEW they would screw it all up. Not just for themselves, because for some crazy reason, God saw fit to punish EVERY HUMAN afterwards because of one simple mistake. A mistake that certainly be agrued as completely innocent. Think about it. God creates Adam and Eve, tells them about the Tree of Knowledge, and sends them on their way. Eve meets a talking snake that tells her that God lied to her and that eating the fruit was OK. How is Eve supposed to know the difference? What reason is there not to believe what the snake says? She has no concept of a lie. So she eats the fruit. Now, God knows that this will happen ahead of time. He knew that all of humanity would be punished with the capability of evil and sin simply because Eve believed the snake and Adam believed Eve. SO WHAT DOES HE DO? Instead of killing off the snake or giving Eve or Adam the knowledge of discerning a falsehood, or hell, just rebooting His creation altogether, He lets them partake anyway, dooming all of Creation. Why? BECAUSE HE WANTED IT TO HAPPEN. You can't tell me that God had His hands tied in this ordeal. All happens according to His plan, including the Fall of Man. You can say that God DID give us free will so that we can choose to worship Him or not, because He doesn't want us all to just worship Him blindly. Heres the problem though, He gave us a Bible. In this Bible is explicit instructions on who to worship. If God didn't want us all to worship Him blindly, He shouldn't have given us a book that shows that He exists right? Because if we all believed the Bible, we would all believe in God. So you can say He gave us free will, but since He also provided a Bible that tells us He exists, His intent was for all to worship Him blindly with no free will at all.
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