# Omegavolt

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1. ## circular Big Bang theory

Quote:Original post by ApochPiQ That's the point - space doesn't expand "into" anything, because space itself is what is expanding. Take a sheet of graph paper - the kind with the little regular grid of blue lines on it. Now draw some shapes on it. Now imagine each little square expanding, so that its sides are, say, 30% longer. Now extend this process to three dimensions; this is spatial expansion. Ok, but while you're expanding your little blue-lined squares inside the shape, the boundary of the shape gets bigger. Soon the shape will be bigger than the paper is wide, even though the squares inside the shape take up the same percentage of it as they originally did. I understand spatial expanision, what I'm trying to figure out is the fact that while space inside the visible universe is expanding, at its boundaries, the shape continues to get larger, taking up more 3D space. What was in that space before our visible universe got there? Or, to use your analogy, when the shape is larger than the paper, what was in all those other squares on the sheet before the shape outgrew them?
2. ## circular Big Bang theory

Quote:Original post by Promit Quote:Original post by Omegavolt The very fact that the universe is expanding implies that it is indeed expanding INTO something.No, no it doesn't. Oh, well, I guess thats settled eh? No need to ask anymore questions about the universe, just consult my Magic 8-Ball, and all will be revealed, right? Or perhaps you can explain WHY you think that. Look, we can go on about discussions of hyperspheres and 4D spheres to explain the universe, but heres what I can tell you. If our universe was once smaller than it is now, then it is now BIGGER and must have obtained some amount of 3D space that was not there before. Where did this 3D space come from? Where is it getting the 3D space that was not there 20 seconds ago? History has proven our universe only extends out as far as our telescopes can see. We've had to revise the size, and therefore the age of the universe, continually since we stared looking up. It is complete arrogance to assume that we have the right distance and age now.
3. ## circular Big Bang theory

The universe cannot be finite. A finite object in 3D space is contained by more 3D space. The very fact that the universe is expanding implies that it is indeed expanding INTO something. And thats if it actually IS expanding. Sure, we've seen Doppler effects of light, but if all galaxies are moving away from each other, how are there galactic collisions which we've seen evidence for? And to top it all off, cosmologists are resorting to adding X factors into their theories. If gravity pulls all matter together, then how are galaxies expanding faster and faster? They say, "Well there must be some extra energy somewhere in the universe causing this. Must be DARK energy. Lets go find it!" NO, how about you continue to observe and revise your theory? Stop wasting millions on something that might not be there and stop clinging to theories when they refuse to fully explain what we're seeing.
4. ## Man shelf

You must have a DREMEL! Also, some poker chips! :D
5. ## Do you believe in god?

Quote:Original post by LachlanL If he said that because of his experience alone everyone else must accept X, Y, Z, then you would have an argument for considering him arrogant. From his post, he only seemed to be indicating why he made his personal choice. As for delusion, I don't see why Omegavolt is in a position to be able to characterize it as such. He wasn't even a witness to whatever events we are talking about. Such details rarely get in the way of (some) atheists dismissing things this way. I see arrogance in his statement because he casually dismisses all other religions as not true, and that the one that he decides is real takes precedence. It also seems delusional because the 'evidence' he uses to assert Christianity as the One True Religion is not even based on empirical evidence. Just some STILL undescribed events which lead him to believe as such, which, as nilkn and TZ have pointed out, might not be what he thought it was to begin with.
6. ## Do you believe in god?

Quote:Original post by Machaira Quote:Original post by nilkn Why Christianity? A blind assertion that Christianity has the one true creation story means nothing. All the creation stories, including Christianity, contain a host of unverifiable, unfalsifiable claims, so it puzzles me indeed that you claim to know that Christianity is absolute truth and, with the same confidence, that all the others are rubbish. Because I've seen and experienced God's power. Having a relationship with God is not something that can be easily explained nor dismissed as an imagination. Wow. So what you're saying is that since YOU'VE seen something that you attribute to God, then therefore, Christianity is the one true religion? I can't tell what that statement displays more: arrogance or delusion. I, for one, would most certainly LOVE to hear what you've seen and experienced as "God's power". I'm guessing that since it was enough to convince you that it was God, it should be easy enough to relate.

12. ## Do you believe in god?

Quote:Original post by n8hanson A) Of course Christians have different ways of seeing things. We are human beings with free will... B) I don't think on this issue that we disagree. I'm not clear on where HappyCoder's quote "God doesn't want everyone to worship Him..." came from. Are you sure you didn't paraphrase him, or misunderstand him? C) My answer refers to God's perfect will: if it were possible, God would have all men repent and enter a relationship with him. That's why God made us: for a relationship with him. Seeing as you just thrust yourself into my and HappyCoder's argument, I'll have to regurgitate. I'm suggesting this: God knew when He made Adam and Eve with free will that they would fail. For some reason He sees fit to curse all of humanity with death for this. So God, in knowing this, could have decided not to make Adam and Eve and instead make Maddy and Steve who would not eat the apple and maintain His perfect creation. But He doesn't. He wanted humanity to be fallen. The reason HappyCoder gave for this is because He doesn't want everyone worshipping Him. Quote:Original post by HappyCoder Yes that was his plan. What should be his plan have everybody live in a happy perfect state their entire life having a perfect knowledge of God and living blissfully until they die Sounds to me like HappyCoder realizes that having all people worship God = a meaningless existence for us. Quote:Original post by n8hanson Apparently God's reasoning is: true love with some (but not all) is better than programmed robots. Maybe you realize that as well? To which I'm asking, again, Why should I be punished for eternity in Hell for being a portion of humanity that keeps us from being these programmed robots God thinks is so bad?
13. ## Do you believe in god?

Quote:Original post by n8hanson Quote:Original post by Omegavolt Does God want everyone to worship Him or not? And if not, then why am I going to Hell for not believing? Yes, God wants everyone to worship Him. You and HappyCoder need to get your stories straight. I can't argue a point if I have one Christian claiming one thing and another claiming the opposite. Seriously, Christianity would hold a lot more respect in Atheists eyes if you all could just come to some agreement about your religion and stick with it. 'God wants everyone to worship Him...' 'God doesn't want everyone to worship Him...' *sigh* Its not worth the effort.
14. ## Do you believe in god?

Quote:Original post by HappyCoder Yes that was his plan. What should be his plan have everybody live in a happy perfect state their entire life having a perfect knowledge of God and living blissfully until they die and when the meet God he asks them "Did you have fun on earth child?" And with childish expression we reply, "Oh, yes I did father" Then God responds, "Good, now welcome to heaven" Now if life worked like that then why would we even be here. That would be like God running a preschool only we would probably learn more in a preschool. This life in meant to be a test and also for us to grow. I like how you left out the part of my post which explained how the fact that He put out a Bible means He wanted everyone to know He existed. Obviously if God put a Bible on Earth and expected everyone to follow its doctrine, He intended for everyone to know about and worship Him. Yet, as you said, everyone blissfully worshipping isn't a very meaningful existence, so which is it? Does God want everyone to worship Him or not? And if not, then why am I going to Hell for not believing? Quote:Original post by Mithrandir This incident showed me something: people are quick to misunderstand the workings of the world around them, and tend to attribute things that they think are far more improbable than they actually are to a higher power. Absolutely. They need proof God exists. And if they aren't getting it from the multitudes of unanswered prayers, they will attribute things to Him just to get the proof they need.
15. ## Do you believe in god?

God giving us free will makes sense today, but one must wonder what God was thinking when He first created Adam and Eve. Here He has two beings that He created as perfect, yet before He even made them, He KNEW they would screw it all up. Not just for themselves, because for some crazy reason, God saw fit to punish EVERY HUMAN afterwards because of one simple mistake. A mistake that certainly be agrued as completely innocent. Think about it. God creates Adam and Eve, tells them about the Tree of Knowledge, and sends them on their way. Eve meets a talking snake that tells her that God lied to her and that eating the fruit was OK. How is Eve supposed to know the difference? What reason is there not to believe what the snake says? She has no concept of a lie. So she eats the fruit. Now, God knows that this will happen ahead of time. He knew that all of humanity would be punished with the capability of evil and sin simply because Eve believed the snake and Adam believed Eve. SO WHAT DOES HE DO? Instead of killing off the snake or giving Eve or Adam the knowledge of discerning a falsehood, or hell, just rebooting His creation altogether, He lets them partake anyway, dooming all of Creation. Why? BECAUSE HE WANTED IT TO HAPPEN. You can't tell me that God had His hands tied in this ordeal. All happens according to His plan, including the Fall of Man. You can say that God DID give us free will so that we can choose to worship Him or not, because He doesn't want us all to just worship Him blindly. Heres the problem though, He gave us a Bible. In this Bible is explicit instructions on who to worship. If God didn't want us all to worship Him blindly, He shouldn't have given us a book that shows that He exists right? Because if we all believed the Bible, we would all believe in God. So you can say He gave us free will, but since He also provided a Bible that tells us He exists, His intent was for all to worship Him blindly with no free will at all.