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quote:Don''t kid yourself. You beat them because they sucked. A better fighter would know that he fliches, and incorporate that into his style. I pull my face back when you feint a punch? Great, use an inverted knifehand or ridgehand with your front hand to siphon the power of your retreating body into an attack.
There was a Kung Fu school represented at the tournament with a lot of students. The most Kung Fu we have ever seen has been from Hong Kong action flicks. I didn''t get to fight any of them, but some of our other students did. These Kung Fu stylists were fooling everyone else at the tournament, except our students. They would try these Crane stances, and Tiger stances, and generally strange things. (in our expeirence, we''re used to fighters staying level with both feet on the ground). But, our students destroyed them, and I think it was because we haven''t been taught "Use this technique versus this technique", or "when your oppenent throws a reverse punch, you throw this kick", we''ve been taught, "When your opponent creates this OPENING, use this technique". For us, our fighting is completely independent of our opponents style. We study human nature as well, ie. if I flick a punch in someones face, or fake a kick, and they flinch, they are fairly certain to do it again
Anyway, fighting should be independent of style. There isn''t that much difference between styles anyway (except for stance, and that''s just an illusion). A punch HAS to have a starting and ending point, it HAS to have a target, and it always opens the body up for a counter. It doesn''t matter if it''s a Kung Fu punch or a Karate punch or a Boxing punch. There are only just so many ways to start and end a particular technique.
quote:I don''t know the specifics of the WPK (google finds nothing), but I''ve heard in Tae Kwon Do tournaments, it''s against the rules to punch the kidneys. In most tournaments, it''s against the rules to aim for the groin. In tournaments for striking arts, throwing is either not allowed or strongly discouraged (and certainly not taught). Without any of these options, a spinning hook kick is mostly unstoppable. Even if you counter, you still get kicked really hard.
Even the greatest fighters have their habits. Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, WPK Undefeated Champion, retired at 20 consecutive wins with 11 KO''s, beating nearly everyone with a hook kick. Everyone knew what he was doing, he was too fast for you to stop it.
Posted 24 May 2003 - 06:26 PM
Posted 24 May 2003 - 08:54 PM
quote:True enough, but the intermediates make for excellent entertainment. Enter the Matrix, for example, uses aikido-like moves for some of its disarmament techniques and jujutsu moves for some of its counters.
Certainly grappling is different from striking, it was my assumption we were talking about the striking arts only. I don''t care how effective a grappler you are, it still makes for a pretty boring game (oh look, I''ve had my face stuck in my partners ass for the last 15 minutes!).
quote:I''m inclined to agree, but I think that as time goes on, if both you and your hypothetical aikido practicing opponent continue practicing, it will become less and less true.
Certainly _I_ would not be able to beat an Aikido master, as I have only recently earned my first degree a year ago. However, I am confident that I could give a student with similar experience as I a good fight.
quote:Sure there is: convincing your mother to have an abortion before you''re ever born. But that would take some crazy-ass mastery
This is not because of arrogance, this comes from the knowledge that there are no "Mystical" arts, and anything that my sparring partner does to me can be stopped, someway, somehow. There is no end-all, ultimate move that trumps everything. All it takes is time and perserverence.
quote:Preaching to the choir, here. It''s a useful illusion for some purposes, however. Tell someone to hold their bent arm still, and a single stronger person can pull their arm straight. Tell them to infuse their arm with ki, and it takes a truck to straighten it.
Once again, I want to point out, THERE ARE NO MYSTICAL ARTS! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS KI/CHI!
quote:If it were impossible, then he wouldn''t be able to do it. If it were magical and he could nevertheless do it consistently, the scientific method would at some point explain it, thus proving it is not magical.
It''s all simple physics (simple, in that it involves Newtonian Physics, not Quantum or otherwise). Even Bruce Lee''s one-inch punch can be explained by physics (pure acceleration power. Master Lee was able to accelerate his fist to the appropriate speed over the short distance of one inch. However, when you study the forces necessary to create such an acceleration, you will realize this is not an impossible or magical task. Even Master Lee admitted everything he did had no basis in the mystical).
quote:Yeah. So what? Knowing that there are mammals and there are birds doesn''t mean there aren''t platypi.
There are only a few basic stances. 1) Facing your opponent 2) Standing sideways to your opponent, and 3) back to your opponent. Anything else is just a feint, just an illusion to try to trick the opponent into thinking something big is coming.
quote:Of course not -- you practice Tae Kwon Do.
I don''t believe in blocking powerful technique.
quote:I prefer gunting(sp?), which means attacking an attack. If you see a roundhouse, you don''t really block it, although that''s the effect; you punch the shin. (this is one reason for a vertical punch (where your knuckles are in a vertical row instead of a horizontal one). If you are just a little off, you can hurt your hand using a horizontal punch)
I much prefer to evade and counter, or even jam attack. With a jam attack you must have fairly fast reflexes. When you see a powerful (and consequently slow) technique coming, you throw your most powerful technique that can land before the incoming attack connects with YOU. In doing this, you throw your opponent off balance. In some cases, this can be my only defense against much larger opponents
quote:They modify them for better reasons than that. The northern foot; southern hand observation comes to mind. It''s pretty easy to see in kung fu where the styles assume that it will be difficult to move your feet freely versus being able to move and kick with wild abandon. There are also inherent differences in teaching methods among the striking arts. Jeet kune do comes to mind as an example.
In short, fighting is independent of style. ALL striking arts are essentially equivalent, with the exception of the illusion of different stances. All arts use the same basic stances, modifying them to look different.
quote:This is why I suggested that the choices be determined for the different characters in the fighting game. And I don''t know what kind of fighting games you''ve been playing, but I haven''t gotten the impression that the fighters have no habits. Just the really tough ones. The indian guy, the spanish guy, and the electric guy from Street Fighter 2 have remarkably different habits, to name a well-known example. If nothing else, the different available combos make for very different styles.
This is the problem with AI fighters, they have no habits, making them almost perfect.
Posted 25 May 2003 - 07:02 AM
Original post by Flarelocke
So tell me this: how does the spread of your feet perpendicular to your opponent affect your ability to move in sparring?
To what extent does reducing your profile (i.e. turning to the side to become a smaller target) become a liability?
Why do most people have the weight on their back leg when they''re in a side-on stance?
In what situations is it a really, really bad idea to have unevenly distributed weight?
What stance should you use to thrash an opponent who is below the reach of your arms?
What are the advantages and disadvantages of resting your weight on the ball of your foot vs. your heel?
How does uneven or treacherous terrain affect your stance and/or movement?
How do you move from one stance in one position to another stance in another position without leaving vulnerabilities?
Posted 25 May 2003 - 02:26 PM
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Posted 28 May 2003 - 07:01 AM
Original post by Flarelocke
For the record, crane and tiger are easy, and relatively similar to tae kwon do. Come back when you''ve fought against someone good at preying mantis or monkey.
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[ just felt like telling you something useful rather than random musings over martial arts ]
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