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#1 Emil   Members   


Posted 30 December 1999 - 01:39 PM

Ok, at first I wanted to start out learning C++. So I bought two books, "The C++ Programming Language" by Bjarne Stroustrup and "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel. But the review at Amazon.Com was right, it said "a beginner will need 60 seconds to get lost in The C++ Programming Language." Then I tried to start with C, but no luck there to. So now I'm down to Visual Basic...
what should I do, Should I try C again or will VB help me in any way when I'm learning C++?

#2 Enix   Members   


Posted 29 November 1999 - 10:21 AM

Stick with c++. Im having very little trouble with c++ even though it is my first language. i got the book 'Teach yourself c++ in 21 days." i read it slowly and about 6 months later (now) im about done. however i tried lots of demo projects and im now makeing a little game engine with DX7. Just make sure you thougharly understand everything you read before your move on to the next topic. Also dont go with c becuase it is the older language and therefor it probably easier. This is wrong (in my oppinion) difficulty wise from what ive seen (and I will admit my knowledge is not very vast) c++ is just as hard as c. Good luck learning what ever programming language you choose (though I suggest c++)!

#3 mason   Members   


Posted 29 November 1999 - 10:28 AM

Yes and no.

Yes: Most of the concepts you learn in the beginning are the same regardless of the language. Today's modern OO languages are not *vastly* different from each other.

No: Don't expect VB to be 10x easier. Learning to program is difficult, time-consuming, and frustrating, and there is no magic bullet. You may find that VB is just as hard, or harder, than C/C++, or more likely, that it shields you from the exact stuff you're trying to learn.

The important things are to not give up, stick with one language, set small goals, and make sure you truly understand a chapter before moving to the next one. Also, having a more experienced programmer around who can look at your work and give you tips is very helpful.

Mason McCuskey
Spin Studios

#4 Bovine   Members   


Posted 29 November 1999 - 12:36 PM

Well, I've developed business apps for a long time in VB. There are some great things you can learn in it, particularly concepts about Object orientated programming. Its a great place for a beginner to learn those 'concepts' because, well for one, it isn't a 'true' OO language(basically just forget about subclassing) but it provides a nice friendly structure for building it.

I myself just started learning C++ and Direct X, though I have played around withC++ for a while, I'm starting to really tackle it a bit more energetically, and I'm finding it pretty straightforward - but that's mostly due to understanding Windows API and OO programming in general. Those are probably the most challenging concept for any beginning programmer to get.

#5 Machaira   Moderators   

Posted 29 November 1999 - 01:10 PM

If you want to do game programming learn C++. If you want to do tools programming learn VB. I use both for what they are good for: C++ - games, VB - tools/GUI apps.

#6 Ranok   Members   


Posted 11 December 1999 - 05:30 PM

I think that the easiest way to learn to program in c++ is to do it. Read the book one chapter at a time and then try to program a demo program of the concept in that chapter after you have finished it. This is what I did after many attempts at learning the language and it seemed to help very much.

[This message has been edited by Ranok (edited December 11, 1999).]

#7 sherman   Members   


Posted 12 December 1999 - 04:51 AM

I would suggest that you stick with C++ as it is really not too difficult as you might think. I started programming in C++ when I was quite young and you can imagine how perplexing it was for me at that time (since it was my first real venture into programming). My tip is to expect not too understand everything the first time around and try to just understand the overall concept. If you keep on programming and reading, you will eventually find that you will build up your understanding on previous enigmas. Finally, please feel free to visit my website and get some basic tutorials on C++:

Best regards,

#8 Profus   Members   


Posted 27 December 1999 - 02:03 AM

As someone said above:
It isn't easy to learn programming!

If you don't understand C++ start /w C (which doesn't use OO), but be warned C i not considerably simpler than C++. If you want something really easy, start /w Pascal, although Pascal is very old and hardly any (if any at all) serious programs are written in Pascal nowadays.

A good way to learn (if you know a little about programming) is reading the docs and helpfiles of your compiler and trying to figure out, what the commands mean and do.

If you have no idea about any form of programming look for tutored courses offered by companys all over the world!
This won't be cheap, but if you're really interested it's worth its money!

#9 GunnarSteinn   Members   


Posted 27 December 1999 - 02:12 AM

One thing to add. You should read a lot of code. I read everything I see and try to understand it.

#10 Melo   Members   


Posted 27 December 1999 - 02:20 AM

Look at this:

#11 Anonymous Poster_Anonymous Poster_*   Guests   

Posted 30 December 1999 - 01:39 PM

It all depends on how good you want to be.

If all you want is to write a few cool, mildy ambitious programs, then you might be best off just plunging into C++, perhaps after a primer lesson in C. This will allow you to focus on what you want to do, as opposed to forcing you to worry about tying up all the loose ends.

If you are really serious about learning how to program, then it becomes a question of how much you are willing to spend. You will probably have to part with a few dollars for books and/or courses, but most importantly you will have to invest time. If you want to master the Object Oriented paradigm, a cleaner, quicker route (believe it or not) would be to learn Java. Java is an elegant, structured language built on the OO paradigm. True, it is under-powered and not well suited for any real-life application, but it will teach you good OO programming habits. Then move to C++, a language whose power and flexibility provide you will industrial strength abilities and, unfortunately, the means to violate the OO paradigm in every way possible (C++ is so general that it allows you to program in an OO style, but doesn't force it).

The best book to learn C is "The C Programming Language" by Kernighan and Ritchie. For Java, consult the book(s) by Gosling. For C++, avoid using the book by Stroustrup in conjunction will Visual C++. It can be argued that they represent two different languages (the book covers the ANSI/ISO C++ Standard).

#12 kressilac   Members   


Posted 03 January 2000 - 03:38 AM

One thing you will realize about C++. Everyone has their own version of it. Borland''s got one, Microsoft has one, Unix has one, and there is a standard one. All of them follow the same principles of OO but they all implement those principles differently through their own C++ API library. All you have to do is look at the string class for each of them to realize this. Later you will realize that Borland and Microsoft are really just APIs to help you program in C++. This is a main distinction that you need to understand when beginning to program. Win32, OWL and MFC are no different in construction than the point, line, and square classes your C++ books discuss. Most of the same techniques have been used and violated within these libraries. That being said stick with C++. Learn to think in terms of objects, and be prepared to rewrite code often as you get better at using the OO techniques available to you.

Not much else I can say here wihtout getting flamed. :)

ps Study the CString class. Recognizing its strengths and shortcomings will help you understand more about C++ than any book will though you need the books to gain the knowledge to enable you to analyze the CString class.

Derek Licciardi

#13 C++ Freak   Members   


Posted 04 January 2000 - 12:41 PM

I say, stick with C++ all the way. C++ is so awesome you can do so much stuff on it. Visual Basic can be good, but I think that C++ is a much better language for programming games. With C++ the posibilites are endless(I think).

C++ Freak

C++ Rocks

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