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$8 ### Image of the Day Submit IOTD | Top Screenshots ### The latest, straight to your Inbox. Subscribe to GameDev.net's newsletters to receive the latest updates and exclusive content. Sign up now ## reason i love my wife Old topic! Guest, the last post of this topic is over 60 days old and at this point you may not reply in this topic. If you wish to continue this conversation start a new topic. 80 replies to this topic ### #61Enders Members Posted 27 February 2011 - 06:42 PM Wow. You know I am not one to start threads this long. But several of you have posted some valid things. Some funny things, and some rude things. Funny: I found copying my post and putting different references to it was funny. But I am calling my plagurism card on that. I want 5 buck. (Joke) Rude: yes mike, saying my wife and I are dumb because we are using ubuntu and she should leave me was a bit rude. But I do appreciate that you said it was just a joke in the end. I am sure you reallu don't want people to break up a happy marriage with children right? I had some time to cool off from that and I had to realize that forums come with trolls. Its been a while since I participated regularly on a forum. Valid points: yes, I could have adjusted windows settings or reinstalled it without the fluff. I also did buy a$400 walmart computer. Yes, my wife did want windows back when I first installed ubuntu. But after a few years, she realized that ubuntu was pretty easy to use. Yes, I does have some issues, but so does windows. She liked ubuntu because the stuff she uses most is already on a clean install. I like ubuntu because it quick to load, has an interface that's pleasent to me, and I can keep going on. I know that windows has better compatability for a lot of applications out there. but I do like how ubuntu is setup. For others, I am sure it is crap. For me and my wife, its good.

And with wine...almost never use it. I only mentioned it because telltail games came out with a back to the future adventure I wanted to try out. I can get it to run with wine and winetricks+directx. (Which was surprisingly easy to install)

I don't play a lot of newer games. Almost don't have much time to play games at all. I am a bigger fan of older games. Warcraft 1/2, eye of the beholder. For those, I use dos box. I don't need a super computer, just something that works and allows me to get my programming fix in.

Well, thanks for listening to my "like ubuntu" again. I was actually hoping to hear about why other guys or gals love their spouse. But oh well, maybe it is true, programmers don't have spouses. (Joke)

### #62phantom  Members

Posted 27 February 2011 - 07:08 PM

I was actually hoping to hear about why other guys or gals love their spouse.

See, that's not how it came across.

It came across as 'we got a new computer with windows on it, we tried it, it was crap, we went back to what we knew, how can you put up with something this bad due to <list of reasons>? I'm so glad my wife is like me'.

Aka yet another linux user banging on about how great it is yawn yawn yawn...

If you had mentioned that key bit there I quoted this thread might have gone in a different direction... or Mike might have trolled you for the lulz anyway, who knows...

### #63Enders  Members

Posted 27 February 2011 - 08:13 PM

Yeah, my bad. It was late at night when i wrote it and i was on my phone. I also didn't know the political storm between windows and linux around here. Now I know to tread lightly when saying I like Linux.

Now I feel like one of those guys on the game design thread saying I have an awesome game will somebody make it for me.

### #64MaulingMonkey  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 12:40 AM

I'm no Ruby user myself, but I've heard Ruby people complaining not only that different implementations have different semantics, but also that different _actively developed_ versions of the reference implementation differ in their semantics, that doesn't sound very stable to me.

I've personally bitched and complained that different actively developed compilers for the same 10+ year old C++ standard regularly differ in their semantics on a multitude of issues -- to say nothing of compiler extensions, which vary even more wildly.

This isn't to say Ruby (or even C++ for that matter) is a paragon of stability. In C++'s case, fortunately, the issues mostly relegate themselves to avoidable corner cases and features -- at least at this point. (In the past, we can think back to the VS6 era where compilers disagreed on basic language syntax like the owning scope of a for list initializer.)

This is to say that limited anecdotes are of limited use to judge the stability of entire languages by, regardless of how very valid they are as bitching points and issues that would do well to be corrected. While my experience with both ruby and python is limited, I am under the impression that python has been much more aggressive in improving the language and the core API. They have an entire statement dedicated to making it easier to wrangle such ongoing, rapid changes: future statements.

Luckily for me, Counter strike is not one of the applications I want to run, and if I wanted to I'd just use my Windows machine. Wine can be really hit and miss, and what works on one setup might not on another. When it does work though, I find it works pretty well.

Luckily for me, I no longer wish to run it either, because I've been able to run it for the past 10 years on windows. That, and good servers for it have become fewer and farther between.

### #65demonkoryu  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 02:57 AM

See, that's not how it came across.

It was in the thread title. I'm kinda surprised what happened to this thread.

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### #66Fiddler  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:14 AM

I'm yet to meet a woman who likes playing games, let alone use Ubuntu and get to adore her for it!

They are out there, I can vouch for this. Keep looking!

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### #67way2lazy2care  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:18 AM

I'm yet to meet a woman who likes playing games, let alone use Ubuntu and get to adore her for it!

They are out there, I can vouch for this. Keep looking!

finding one that smells normal... That's the real trick...

/hides

### #68Fiddler  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 10:26 AM

I'm yet to meet a woman who likes playing games, let alone use Ubuntu and get to adore her for it!

They are out there, I can vouch for this. Keep looking!

finding one that smells normal... That's the real trick...

/hides

Never ever met a good-looking, good-smelling geeky girl? You don't know what you are missing...

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### #69Drathis  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 11:21 AM

Never ever met a good-looking, good-smelling geeky girl? You don't know what you are missing...

Thanks for rubbing it on our face!

### #70zedz  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 01:34 PM

I feel the time of OS's is waning, I see a new laptop from sony has an 'internet button' i.e. instead of booting up win7 u just press the button + u can surf the net in a quarter of the time.
Perhaps not the ppl on this site, but to the majority of PC users, the PC == the web

### #71way2lazy2care  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 02:04 PM

I feel the time of OS's is waning, I see a new laptop from sony has an 'internet button' i.e. instead of booting up win7 u just press the button + u can surf the net in a quarter of the time.
Perhaps not the ppl on this site, but to the majority of PC users, the PC == the web

There will always be OS's. They'll obviously change, and they are right now, but they will always be there. To my understanding, the "web button" just boots a really light weight linux partition that exclusively runs internet browsers, so even that is running an OS.

### #72Enders  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 02:11 PM

I feel the time of OS's is waning, I see a new laptop from sony has an 'internet button' i.e. instead of booting up win7 u just press the button + u can surf the net in a quarter of the time.
Perhaps not the ppl on this site, but to the majority of PC users, the PC == the web

I see the same thing! you can access the web from anywhere now and with all the web programs, you can pretty much do anything on the web now.
Games: Flash games, java games, html5 games.
IT management: Remote desktop through flash, java, ajax, or html5

And things that can get online with are increasing. Mobile Phones, Netbooks, Game Consoles, Laptops, Desktops, Tablets, Book Readers, TV's, Watches. Pretty soon anything with a LCD screen will have wifi or 3g connectivity

### #73zedz  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 06:57 PM

There will always be OS's. They'll obviously change, and they are right now, but they will always be there. To my understanding, the "web button" just boots a really light weight linux partition that exclusively runs internet browsers, so even that is running an OS.

Oh sure even your mobile phone from 10 years ago had an OS, but by OS I mean in the sense that we traditional/commonsensily? view them on the PC

Pretty soon anything with a LCD screen will have wifi or 3g connectivity

In 10 years time (perhaps even now) for some ppl the fridge/lights/oven etc will be connected to the net.
No more did I forget to turn off ....

### #74Enders  Members

Posted 28 February 2011 - 07:21 PM

There will always be OS's. They'll obviously change, and they are right now, but they will always be there. To my understanding, the "web button" just boots a really light weight linux partition that exclusively runs internet browsers, so even that is running an OS.

Oh sure even your mobile phone from 10 years ago had an OS, but by OS I mean in the sense that we traditional/commonsensily? view them on the PC

Pretty soon anything with a LCD screen will have wifi or 3g connectivity

In 10 years time (perhaps even now) for some ppl the fridge/lights/oven etc will be connected to the net.
No more did I forget to turn off ....

I can see it now.

Manage your home appliances on your android or ios device! See their power consumption and monthly power charges. Easily turn them on or off at a push of a button!

...how did this thread survive? And get so far off topic...

### #75DrunkMonkey25  Members

Posted 01 March 2011 - 12:28 AM

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LordPalmerston.html

"People who only know one world get really smarmy, and every time they hear about the complications in the other world, it makes them think that their world doesn't have complications. But they do. You've just moved beyond them because you are proficient in them. These worlds are just too big and complicated to compare any more. Lord Palmerston: "The Schleswig-Holstein question is so complicated, only three men in Europe have ever understood it. One was Prince Albert, who is dead. The second was a German professor who became mad. I am the third and I have forgotten all about it." The software worlds are so huge and complicated and multifaceted that when I see otherwise intelligent people writing blog entries saying something vacuous like "Microsoft is bad at operating systems," frankly, they just look dumb. Imagine trying to summarize millions of lines of code with hundreds of major feature areas created by thousands of programmers over a decade or two, where no one person can begin to understand even a large portion of it. I'm not even defending Microsoft, I'm just saying that big handwavy generalizations made from a position of deep ignorance is one of the biggest wastes of time on the net today."

### #76Endurion  Members

Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:47 AM

But they make for awesome flamewars
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### #77d000hg  Members

Posted 01 March 2011 - 05:06 AM

Wow, when i woke up this morning i only expected like one or two posts. Maybe something like: I like windows, or i like ubuntu too. Not someone who says that my wife and i are dumb-asses and my wife is going to dumb my ass for some stupid reason.

So SORRY for liking my wife's preference of operating systems. And SORRY you can't accept other's people choices even if they are in this 90% over generalized range you speak of.

I think it's feeling the need to tell us your wife likes Ubuntu which is the problem. Why could you possibly even begin to think that anyone here would have the slightest interest? Because a girl likes Linux?

### #78valderman  Members

Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:11 AM

Wow, when i woke up this morning i only expected like one or two posts. Maybe something like: I like windows, or i like ubuntu too. Not someone who says that my wife and i are dumb-asses and my wife is going to dumb my ass for some stupid reason.

So SORRY for liking my wife's preference of operating systems. And SORRY you can't accept other's people choices even if they are in this 90% over generalized range you speak of.

I think it's feeling the need to tell us your wife likes Ubuntu which is the problem. Why could you possibly even begin to think that anyone here would have the slightest interest? Because a girl likes Linux?

I don't think very many people are all that interested in owl's dead pixel or the two self introduction threads currently on the first page either, yet I don't see those getting flamed into oblivion.

The problem is not that people don't care, but that people DO care. A lot. The slightest mention of Linux on GDNet tends to turn usually intelligent and helpful people into rabid OS fanboys. (Which is curious, since the usual state of affairs is that Linux people make up the majority of the rabid fanboys.)

### #79hanstt  Members

Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:27 AM

To indulge the OP:
A good friend of mine started using Linux many years ago after having seen me tinker. He currently lives with his fiancee who plays the organ in a church and pretty much organizes any music (the choir, inviting "classical bands" some nights etc). They have at least 5 PCs or so (a media server, media player, one or two office computers and a laptop, he's a collector), all running Ubuntu (I think he is trying Arch on the laptop atm) during the day with the power horses dual booting to Windows for hefty games. Even though his fiancee is not a computer monster (she does what "normal people do" on computers), she really likes Ubuntu and have no issues or complaints about it. My good friend takes care of tech related issues anyway, and afaik that's a rather lazy "job". Wouldn't dare say this is the reason they love each other, but they both use Linux and they live a happy life together.

For the nervy people: She is really pretty too... And does not smell funny!

Aah, online communities, the metal grater back rub.

### #80phantom  Members

Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:29 AM

The problem is not that people don't care, but that people DO care. A lot. The slightest mention of Linux on GDNet tends to turn usually intelligent and helpful people into rabid OS fanboys. (Which is curious, since the usual state of affairs is that Linux people make up the majority of the rabid fanboys.)

Not really; people have mentioned Linux or Apple before now without it going off into flames. The problems happen depending on tone and content of posts; often things break into flames when someone states that X > Y REGARDLESS of context.

Saying "I prefer X because of Z' isn't going to result in a flame war, it might result in a debate where people point out the alternatives or flaws in reasoning but the statement on its own isn't going to cause it. Saying "I prefer X because of Z therefore everyone who uses Y is wrong." (either implied or otherwise stated) and applying it in a blanket situation without context IS going to result in a flamewar if only because one group point out cases where that doesn't hold true and the other [person|group] refuse to see this point.

Which brings us back to this thread where the OP's tone in the first is along the same lines; tried windows, it was broken and thus was implied that because his wife liked it those of us who don't use it are somehow 'wrong' for using Win7 which he seems to think is cluttered etc. which smacks of classic Linux User Superiority which many people (probably on both sides of the fence) are pretty sick of.

Now, it turns out this wasn't the OPs intent, his intent seemed to be that he wanted to say why he loves his wife and find out why others love theirs; however as this wasn't implied in the thread in any way (no, the thread title does not imply he wanted other feedback to the same effect) it is why it went the way it did. If he had included that and maybe dropped some of the pointless bashing, which lets face it EVERY OS has reasons to 'bash' on them which are frankly trival and more often than not personal 'issues' more than technical ones, we wouldn't be here now.

Reasoned debate is possible, right up until one of the parties throws reason out the window.

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