Files can always be recovered no matter what you do...

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33 comments, last by HappyCoder 12 years, 6 months ago

So your conclusion from this is that reading the data is categorically impossible.


No, my conclusion is that is hasn't been done.

Proof by "because no one has yet published a paper on it". Right...[/quote]

It has to do with that thing called scientific method. But agreed, when it comes to IT, that is indeed a joke.

Fortunately, some people actually try to move beyond Feng Shui, voodoo and witchcraft and approach this in neutral manner - by publishing stuff. Even then, despite being sound, there is dire lack of evidence of any kind that such method ever successfully recovered erased data. And that is dealing with 30+ year old technology.

More papers (I'll trust that wiki summary is correct). "On the other hand, according to the 2006 NIST Special Publication 800-88 (p. 7): "Studies have shown that most of today’s media can be effectively cleared by one overwrite" and "for ATA disk drives manufactured after 2001 (over 15 GB) the terms clearing and purging have converged."[sup][1][/sup] An analysis by Wright et al. of recovery techniques, including magnetic force microscopy, also concludes that a single wipe is all that is required for modern drives. They point out that the long time required for multiple wipes "has created a situation where many organisations ignore the issue all together – resulting in data leaks and loss. ""

The NIST report should be taken very seriously and it goes along with my original suggestion. At massive scale, wiping drives may be time consuming. And since companies hosting such data do not want to spend money on tasks like that, industrial shredder is by far most cost effective method. Grind 50 disks together and the data is, for all practical purposes, non-recoverable. Because alternative today is that these drives are, without any data destruction, physical or software, delivered in labeled bags to dump. To recover, one doesn't need effort, just an IDE or SATA connector.


Finally, on publishing. Researchers these days are in dire need of justifying their own existence. They fight tooth and nail for grants in oversaturated fields, they are scrambling to reword their "images in social networks" paper for the 12th time so they meet their quota.

And here is something that has never been done or apparently is done regularly or at least has been done - and nobody writes a single paper? The field could be milked for a lifetime. It's enough to fuel several tenures over. And nothing? Not even a single tiny footnote? Not even for a 30 year old MFM drive? A floppy? A patent?

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Or maybe we should count each other's badges. I have 18, including knitting. So if anyone has more, then you are right and I'm wrong.

After all, it works for the OP's teacher, should work here as well.

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[quote name='Yann L' timestamp='1316886016' post='4865520']
So your conclusion from this is that reading the data is categorically impossible.


No, my conclusion is that is hasn't been done.
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So you know about every possible attempt by every possible individual with access to the required technology anywhere in the world, who may for whatever possible reason not have published a paper on it. Okay. That's quite some impressive knowledge you have there. I personally prefer to be a bit more cautious (even though my own data is nowhere near that sensitive, so a simple overwrite is indeed all I need).

This discussion isn't leading anywhere and incidentally I have an internal research report to read over for monday and I haven't even started. A paper that will never be published. So that means the experimental technology it describes probably doesn't even exist and I can safely throw it away. Phew, the weekend is saved !

Oh well, enough sarcasm. Peace :)

So you know about every possible attempt by every possible individual with access to the required technology anywhere in the world, who may for whatever possible reason not have published a paper on it. Okay. That's quite some impressive knowledge you have there. I personally prefer to be a bit more cautious (even though my own data is nowhere near that sensitive, so a simple overwrite is indeed all I need).


Since you're busy I won't hold it against you if you don't reply, but again, I don't see how this argument doesn't apply equally as well to "psychics." So how, exactly, is the comparison "ridiculous"? Surely there are more attempts by individuals to use psychic powers than there are to recover overwritten data, and people who are successful have just as much incentive to keep their abilities secret.

Such cases would most likely be classified or involve illegal activities (such as high profile industrial espionage). Wait 50 years and some may fall under the FOIA.[/quote]

If I said this about governments secretly using psychics to catch criminals, would you take me seriously? Of course I can't rule out the possibility (either of psychics or data recovery), but it really seems hardly worth considering when there's no evidence at all anywhere.
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You can just overclock your hard drive so it spins real fast and all the bits fly off.
I would agree that you can erase a file beyond recovery. I would simply have a program write over the data a few times with actual data of the same file type randomly found on the internet. Then set all of the bits to 0. There would be no way of knowing if the recovered data came from the random data pulled from the internet or the original file. Those are my two bits.
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