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# Abusing tan/cot for fun and profit...

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### #1Khatharr  Members

Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:43 AM

Calc class is covering pythagoras and trig, which is pretty familiar, so I'm slightly bored which leads to mischief.

If I had a right triangle with a known hypotenuse and one angle is it possible to get the lengths of the other two sides without using cos/csc/sin/sec? In other words only using tan/cot and pythagoras?

It seems like it should be possible. With pythagoras I can get the sum of a² and b² and with tan/cot I can get the ratio between a and b. I'm fiddling around on paper trying to do it as a formula but it's not simplifying for me.

With sides a,b,c and angles A,B,C where the matching letters are opposites (side opposite angle) and c is the hypotenuse, given A and c:

a² + b² = c²
(a*b/b)² + (b*a/a)² = c²
(b*a/b)² + (a*b/a)² = c²
(b*tan(A))² + (a*cot(A))² = c²
b²*tan(A)² + a²*cot(A)² = c²
b²*tan(A)² = c² - a²*cot(A)²
b² = (c² - a²*cot(A)²) / tan(A)²
b = sqrt((c² - a²*cot(A)²) / tan(A)²)

So I can solve for b in terms of a or a in terms of b...

Eh... Is this possible? (OMG I'm such a nerd...)

Or maybe something like:

a² + b² = c²
a² = c² - b²
a = sqrt(c² - b²)
tan(A) = a/b
b*tan(A) = a
b*tan(A) = sqrt(c² - b²)

Which eliminates a but I don't know if that b² is recoverable...

Okay, so...

Say A = 36.8699° and c = 10
tan(A) = 3/4

We could say that:
a = 3x
b = 4x

(3x)² + (4x)² = 10²
9x² + 16x² = 100
25x² = 100
x² = 100/25
x² = 4
x = 2

a = 6
b = 8

Which is correct, so this is possible with that method, but now I'm wondering how I can express that as a formula...

Oh, I got it...

Say A = 36.8699° and c = 10
tan(A) = 0.75

a = 0.75b

(0.75b)² + b² = 10²
0.5625b² + b² = 100
1.5625b² = 100
b² = 100/1.5625
b² = 64
b = 8
a = 0.75*8 = 6

Schwing! Achievement unlocked.

(tan(A)² * b²) + b² = c²

(tan(A)² + 1) * b² = c²

b² = c² / (tan(A)² + 1)

b = c / sqrt(tan(A)² + 1)

a = b*tan(A)

Hope someone else enjoys this.

Edited by Khatharr, 01 February 2013 - 06:18 AM.

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### #2Álvaro  Members

Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:54 AM

If you know the sum of the squares of a and b and their ratio, it's easy to solve the system
a^2+b^2 = X
a/b = Y

a = b*Y
(b*Y)^2+b^2 = X
(1+Y^2)*b^2 = X
b = sqrt(X/(1+Y^2))
a = Y*sqrt(X/(1+Y^2))

### #3Khatharr  Members

Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:01 AM

It was easy to do when I applied it to a real triangle, but before that I was trying to do it all with formulas and it wasn't working. Once I did it on a triangle with known sides and angles I was able to express the process.

I'm hoping that there will be another batch of problems posted before the end of the unit so I can use this method rather than sin or cos and see if my professor flips out.

Edited by Khatharr, 01 February 2013 - 07:02 AM.

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