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#1Grasshopper  Members

Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:05 AM

I'm doing some testing of the Havok Physics sdk to see if it meets the requirements of my engine. Does anyone know if a hkpRigidBody can be created with out any shapes added? I'm trying to create a dynamic object with out any collision but I'm getting a crash when I try to create a new  hkpRigidBody with bodyCinfo.m_shape set to NULL. Seems strange that such a popular physics sdk wouldn't support such a basic feature.

#2Tom KQT  Members

Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:02 AM

The Havok documentation indeed confirms, that a rigid body must have a shape:

const hkpShape* hkpRigidBodyCinfo::m_shape

The collision detection representation for this entity.

This defaults to HK_NULL, and must be set before constructing a hkpRigidBody.

Edited by Tom KQT, 09 May 2013 - 06:05 AM.

#3grhodes_at_work  Members

Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:20 AM

By the way, shapes are often used in physics engines to compute mass and inertia tensor....so unless you happen to have specific mass/inertia properties that you want to assign explicitly, you may need to leverage a shape anyway to setup your non-colliding dynamic object!

On to the question at hand.

I'm not familiar with the current Havok API, but there may in fact be a custom shape that is intended to create objects that won't collide. You might be able to, for example, create a sphere with a radius of zero, and Havok might have logic to consider that zero radius sphere as being a "no collide" shape. Although that is hacky. If this is the way it is, hopefully the documentation will tell you. More likely, in addition to a shape, the object can have a flag that says "NO_COLLIDE_FOR_THIS_OBJECT" or something like that....so the shape can be there (and may be useful for debug visualization...who knows), but isn't actually used for collision detection.

Some more thoughts... Many physics engines support the concept of collision groups. Collision groups enable you to explicitly set up objects that may interact over part of the game level. You may have 10 objects over here that can interact, and another 9 over there, but the 10 can never inteact with the 9. It is cheaper to treat them as two separate groups. The idea is that collisions are detected between objects within a common collision group, but not between objects in different collision groups. So, you could created a dedicated collision group for your object that you don't want to collide with anything. If you want to have many objects like this, it may be impractical to have a separate collision group for each. You could in that case add some custom user data to the objects and write a collision callback function that would ignore any detected collision between objects that you do not wish to allow to collide. That approach would still incur the cost of doing some collision detection...it would only avoid the collision response, effectively ignoring the collision. The cost could be mitigated somewhat if Havok allows separate callbacks for broad phase collision detection, which is the first and cheapest phase...basically do the bare minimal collision detection before it gets to the expensive narrow phase and collision response parts.

Graham

Graham Rhodes Moderator, Math & Physics forum @ gamedev.net

#4Tom KQT  Members

Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:26 AM

By the way, shapes are often used in physics engines to compute mass and inertia tensor....so unless you happen to have specific mass/inertia properties that you want to assign explicitly, you may need to leverage a shape anyway to setup your non-colliding dynamic object!

In Havok, it is quite separated - you have the collilsion shape and you have mass properties. Mass properties can be set manually or automatically calculated from some basic solids (box, sphere etc.) or even a shape - but in this case you must pass the shape anyway, it doesn't take the collision shape.

And as you can set a rigid body to have no collisions (*), it may seem a little bit weird that Havok requires a shape for every rigid body.

*) For sure you can do it by so called collision filtering (search for it in the Havok documentation). I don't really remember whether there is some even easier way how to say that a particular body will not collide with anything at all, it's been a while since I last worked with it so I don't remember every detail.

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