I have a dumb question :D

If you want to write standard, portable C++ code, std::ofstream is fine. What is used in .NET? Some Windows-specific output class?

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(without the .h)



[edited by - Nik02 on October 17, 2003 8:06:57 AM]

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*cough* RTFM

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I guess he could RTFM the software comes with when he *cough* purchased it. But he isn''t a *cough* worthless pirate *cough*, because he surely *coughed* up the cash.

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Uhhhhh.... I really don''t think Microsoft will care.

#1: If they do happen to find out who he is, because when I just searched up google, there were lots of different people named that

#2: They would have to make a huge lawsuite and sue everyone that is using illegal copies of their software. Plus, all they would probably do is make him purchase the software. Microsoft has loads of money and doubt they would want to milk some guy using their software for free.

#3: I''m not completely anti-pirates, but I am to an extent. When it comes to applications like VC++, VC.NET, those should be purchased. But when a game just comes out, (no demos avail. on the internet) then I think it''s justified to download the game to try it out. DONT GET ME WRONG - Keeping that copy, in my mind, is illegal and an insult to the creators. I have purchased well over 30 games, and before I purchased them, I had an illegal copy, which I destroyed after...


I DO NOT ENDOURSE PIRATED COPIES OF ANY KIND, I AM JUST STATING THAT SOME ACTIONS ARE NECESSARY IF YOU WANT TO SPEND YOUR MONEY WISELY!

ps: Getting an illegal / pirated version of a VS.NET or VC++ or anything like that is highly retarded, because you obviously enjoy programming!

Boy.. will I get flamed for this one >

Cheers.

lmao, what a bunch of idiots. The software is purchased, I coughed because it was a gift.

jeez, cool down.

And to the idiot who "reported me", lmfao. Do you honestly beileve microsoft is going to waste the resources necessary to find/come after me based on some information they got from some random guy that read a *cough* in a forum? ROFL!!!

Get a life, i bet most of you have at LEAST 1 program you haven''t paid for, I know I do.

And as I just said, my copy of >NET is legit.

I can understand people pirating VC++, especially if they are just learning, and not making any money off of the software. It just adds another layer of frustration to beginning programmers to have to deal with command line compilers/linkers... and not having syntax highlighting.

Anyhow, I think if you are using VC++ to compile programs that make you profit.... you should definitely buy it.

By the way, I bought my copy of VC++... so don''t call me a stinkin pirate...

Yeah, it makes me wonder why NES and SNES roms are still "illegal". I mean, you can''t even hardly buy the systems or games used anymore. I don''t now what Nintendo is trying to protect.

*cough* I *cough* bought *cough* visual *cough* c *cough* + *cough* + *cough* 6.0 *cough* Professional *cough* ...

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Original post by Anonymous Poster
As long as they want people to pay for their software, they should make it available.

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Like id software and Quake 2!


I really don''t have a problem with people downloading programs like VC++ and 3D Studio Max. Those kind of people are usually young and don''t have the money to buy the software anyway. And, since it''s for educational purposes, they''ll learn to use the software, becoming potentional future customers, which means more money to Microsoft and Discreet and whatever.

That''s my thinkin''

If you download pirated software, you better be willing to pay for that software later down the road...

my 2 cents.

Cheers.

if you download pirated software, well, ill read a nice quote from a monopoly card.

"go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200"

btw, posting annonymously only hides your info from regular users, you''ve still sent data to the gamedev server, and it''s logged your ip, your ISP, and other info.

What is wrong with downloading a $3100 program like 3Dsmax to use for educational purposes. Surely you wouldn''t have bought it anyway. Oh... and even if someone were to imply they downloaded illegit software there is no way of legally attacking them. That would require a warrant and a raid to see if the person has a copy of the software. Big Brother doesn''t have as much to use against us as we think. As a programmer... I would have to problem with someone downloading my software without paying... It would only make the product more well known

Yes just reporting the person to the company means that the company knows and can then have probable cause to get a warrent if they felt like pursuing the matter. so alerting them of the matter sure does a lot. And pirated software has put good companys out of busniess, so it is never good to use pirated software

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I agree with RanBlade. And for the record, I''m sure they can get you without your e-mail or whatever. All they have to do is e-mail Mr.Hawkins and ask for your IP address. They do track that stuff you know

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I would say that what he implies is that he is ashamed that he actually owns a copy of a microsoft product that doesnt have the serial written on the disk itself. I know I would be ashamed.

- Damage Incorporated

Some of you guys dont see the bright side of things. For applications like games, I can totally understand that it can be wrong. You download a game, you burn it, you play it and throw it away, the compagny just lost a sell.

But for applications like VisualStudio, 3d Studio, Photoshop and all those *expensive* as hell suite, it can be seen as beneficial to have people try the application out, learn to *work* with the application and then later on, possibly, go on the job market as a user of the application.

Having a larger mass of users is much more beneficial for a developpement application and its creators than suing some kid that just wanted to learn some stuff.


edit : just notice i basically repeated what a couple of guys said

[edited by - dopeflow on October 18, 2003 1:17:27 AM]

The software cost that much because it was evaluated to be worth that much not just cause someone wanted to charge over 3k for a CD... If you want to learn get eitehr a free program/cheap program.. they are out there.. so its not a excuse to learn on pirated software... use the free stuff to learn if you want to learn.. and OP the topic has left us talking about you having pirated software its on to general people now.

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Piracy hurts the litte developers the most!

Suppose you want an image editor. If there were no piracy, you''d have two choices like this:

1) Buy Photoshop for $700
2) Buy LittleGuysEditor for $49

Sure, LittleGuysEditor isn''t Photoshop, but it might get the job done, and the price is rather appealing. LittleGuy can probably make a living off sales to people who don''t need everything of Photoshop.

Now, introduce piracy:

1) Buy Photoshop for $700
2) Buy LittleGuysEditor for $49
3) Pirate Photoshop for $0
4) Pirate LittleGuysEditor for $0

Guess what? The people who buy big-budget software will buy Photoshop, because it has all the features. The people who pirate software will pirate Photoshop, because it has all the features. LittleGuy finds no customers, and goes out of business.

And, no, don''t tell me that there are businesses that would buy a cheaper piece of software; 99% of the time that''s just not true. I''ve known businesses to pirate software, and I''ve known business to buy full-featured products, but if you''re paying someone $40,000 a year or more (plus benefits, plus rent/electricity/equipment, plus ...) then paying $700 for tools that make him productive is a win; the $49 option just isn''t an option for anything but the smallest businesses. I haven''t known businesses to buy the $49 image editor.

See: the big software makers (Adobe, Microsoft) don''t hurt much from piracy, but the small, garage developers are wiped out by it, because people would rather pay $0 for Photoshop than pay $49 for a lesser-featured program.

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Most companies make LE (learning edition) software that is reasonably priced for people with after school jobs.

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Heck, Maya PLE (personal learning edition) is free (if you have time for a 130MB download, otherwise it''s $10). GMax, which is practically a 3DS Max LE, is free. My copy of Visual C++ was about $70. Hell, I even got a new copy of Office 2000 for $20. (God bless student discounts)