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GDNet at the Movies: The Michael Bay Apology Thread, aka "Transform and Roll Out!"

Started by Oluseyi Jul 5, 2007 at 12:43 PM 27 replies 7.9k views
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Oluseyi
Oluseyi
[Edit: changed title.] "Michael Bay is RUINING my childhood!" Yes, I said it, too. I said it over a year ago when it was first announced that Michael Bay would direct The Transformers. I said it even though I generally enjoy the way he makes things explode. I said it because, while I was sure he would do justice to the action scenes, I feared that he would completely mangle the emotional core of the Transformers universe. But first, let's clear up a few things. This isn't one of those reviews written for general audiences. If you don't know what Cybertron and Energon are, this isn't for you. If a reference to Alpha Trion or Vector Sigma puzzles you, and you don't know where to start looking on Wikipedia, stop reading now (unless you just enjoy my masterful prose). This is the insider's Transformers anaylsis, an evaluation of how the 2007 movie reinterpretation compares to the expectation of a G1 fanboy. If you were into Beast Wars or - *shudder* - Armada, get the fuck outta here. Got it? Also, there be SPOILERS in this analysis, so if you haven't seen the movie and don't want spoilers, quit here. Michael Bay's Transformers is an excellent Transformers movie, better than Transformers: The Movie (1986), and an excellent summer blockbuster to boot. It is fairly comprehensively thought out, doesn't pander to its audience by trying to explain every little detail, doesn't adhere slavishly to the source property (a good thing), and doesn't take itself too seriously (with mixed results). The Transformers, Autobot and Decepticon, are seeking the Allspark, giver of non-biological robotic life. The Autobots seek it to restore life to Cybertron; the Decepticons, under Megatron, seek it to conquer the universe. The humans in the movie actually misunderstand that ambition, but we'll get to that in a while. There are a few interesting conceits, such as the notion that all our modern technology was reverse engineered from a crash-landed, cryogenically frozen Megatron ("NBE 1"), held in suspended animation for over 100 years. Discovered by an explorer with the last name Witwicky (fanservice), the location of the Allspark imprinted on his glasses, his great-great-grandson Sam (Shia LeBeouf) buys his first car, a rusty, beat up Camaro that turns out to be Bumblebee. At this juncture, let me address the criticism that Bumblebee not being a VW bug is some sort of travesty: shut the fuck up. The Transformers cartoon was designed to sell toys, mmmkay? And if you remember in Arrival from Cybertron, when the probe went out and scanned vehicles to reshape the various robots into, they already had the vehicular parts in their robot forms, which makes no sense. In this movie, each robot can scan everyday objects and reconfigure its outer shell to enable transformation into said object. Essentially, the Transformers are a race of shape-shifting robots that decompose their target forms into configurable panels, which makes a lot more sense than the 1980s cartoon. So give it a rest, nerds. This film only deals with a pair of advance parties. Several Decepticons, including Starscream, have arrived on earth to locate both Megatron and the Allspark, while Bumblebee is sent alone to locate Sam Witwicky (which he does) and then contact the rest of his unit (Optimus Prime, Ironhide, Ratchet and Jazz). One of the movies brilliant moves is intertwining this robotic battle story with the initially ordinary and increasingly unbelievable story of Sam, from his scrapping to buy his first car to being noticed by the girl of his dreams... to being chased by Barricade (the Ford Mustang police cruiser whose side reads "To Punish and Enslave" rather than "To Protect and Serve"). Additionally, the incorporation of the military establishment, despite the large number of underdeveloped characters it introduced, was a good move. The original cartoon had twenty- to thirty-storey robots doing battle on our planet (and even building their own city), yet no government ever seemed to notice, intervene or communicate directly with them? That made no sense, and Bay's interpretation is far more reasonable. The story is interesting to us because it concerns us, because it affects us. The robots are realized incredibly, with real physics in their movement and a genuine sense of weight. The editing in some of the fight scenes was a little too hyperactive (an unfortunate, growing trend in CGI-heavy movies; I mean, why spend 38 hours rendering a single frame if it ends up just being a blur?), and some of the comic relief (the Autobots hiding around the Witwicky home) was superfluous and even a little annoying. The Decepticon disregard for human life - and for life in general (watch Megatron kill Jazz; took him seconds) - is far more satisfying than the caricatured "badness" of the 80's cartoon. There's nothing I enjoy more than a fictional universe being taken seriously, with serious consequences. (And this is why most modern sci-fi sucks, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.) Also interesting was the mutating virus, which killed all electronic communications (a theme explored in Live Free or Die Hard as well; review forthcoming). Open questions:
  • why does the Allspark seem to automatically create Decepticons? The Nokia phone at Sector 7, the Mountain Dew dispenser on the street... they all turn into vicious, red-eyed, gun-toting robots. Possible answer: because all our technology had been reverse engineered from Megatron.
  • will there be a sequel? Duh. We hear Prime not only say they are staying, but that other Autobots, wherever they may be, should come join them on Earth, and we see Starscream leaving Earth at the end, presumably to bring reinforcements. Galvatron in part 2?
  • why do the action figures released so far suck? The movie isn't targeted as kids, as much as Hasbro might wish it was (and as much as it's pushing product tie-in like a mother). In our theater, a kid crying during the previews prompted a lot of, "Who brings a kid to Transformers?" comments, which, you have to admit, is kinda funny considering that it's basically a giant toy commercial. Either way, we need some Masterpiece love, Hasbro, so get on it! My desk at work waits to be festooned with your die-cast cruft!
Re "better than Transformers: The Movie": the great innovation of that 1986 cartoon was killing Optimus Prime. Later we would all discover that this was mandated specifically to make room for new toys, but at the time it imparted a level of gravitas on the series that few, if any, Saturday morning cartoons have been able to equal. Thus was a nerd classic born. The film also included a profanity so it could earn a PG-13 rating, so as not to limit showtimes and audiences. (Savvy marketing.) However, the major thematic flaws and plot contrivances of the tv show remained: huge robots whose footsteps shook the earth doing cataclysmic battle on our planet, ostensibly within the borders of the modern US, and our government neither intervened nor liaised? No scrambling of fighter jets and pouring of rounds of hot ammo into their metallic skin? Advantage: Bay. Transformers: The Movie was a bridge between the first two seasons of the show and the subsequent, lesser episodes (Headmasters? Meh.) It had dozens of robots to keep track of, constituting a high barrier to entry for casual fans. (In a delicious bit of irony, Arcee tested so poorly with focus groups that she was removed from the script for the new movie.) Transformers (2007) is an origins movie of a sort, but it doesn't really bother us with questions like where the Autobots came from and what does "Decepticon" stand for (y'know, since they said "Autobot" stood for "Autonomous Robotic Lifeform" or something). The combination of its historical conciseness and limited cast of robots - eight Decepticons, five Autobots - makes it far more accessible. Advantage: Bay. Winner: Bay. Re "humans misunderstand Transformer objective" (aka plot hole): multiple times it was repeated by human characters that the objective of the Decepticons was to use the Allspark to turn our technology and take over the world, but Megatron crash-landed on earth in the 19th century, before we had all that technology (which was allegedly reverse engineered from his body, too). Overall, Transformers is a deeply satisfying film for anyone who is a fan of the original show but not so slavishly tied to the admittedly immature interpretation of that twenty-year old half-hour toy commercial. Grade: A+ for Nerds. B+ for summer action flick fans.
Alpha_ProgDes
Alpha_ProgDes
Two issues with your review:
1a) TF the Movie is targeted towards us* the 25 to 30 year old crowd whereas
2a) TF the Animated Movie was targeted towards us* the 5 to 10 year old crowd.
3a) So it being better because of "realism" doesn't really make sense. Unless I misunderstood this:
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However, the major thematic flaws and plot contrivances of the tv show remained: huge robots whose footsteps shook the earth doing cataclysmic battle on our planet, ostensibly within the borders of the modern US, and our government neither intervened nor liaised? No scrambling of fighter jets and pouring of rounds of hot ammo into their metallic skin?


b) I think you got the grades backwards: B+ for nerds; A+ for summer flick fans.

*us = same group of people just different age.
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sanch3x
sanch3x
What's with the Beast Wars hate? Can someone explain it to me? As a child I watched transformers, though I wasn't as big of fan of the show (I was a huge Ghostbusters fan... still am I guess) I still enjoyed it. However I have to say that I really enjoyed Beasties (Beast Wars in canada) when it came out. What was so fundamentally different that it needs to be cast out of the transformers timeline? Plee of ignorance here since I don't know as much about the original series.
Alpha_ProgDes
Alpha_ProgDes
Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I know that its timeline coincides with the original Transformers timeline. Basically, Beast Wars takes place during the original Transformers when they were in stasis. For the show itself, I never really cared much for it. I didn't watch enough of it to see if it added anything to the show.
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Nytegard
Nytegard
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Original post by Alpha_ProgDes
Two issues with your review:
1a) TF the Movie is targeted towards us* the 25 to 30 year old crowd whereas
2a) TF the Animated Movie was targeted towards us* the 5 to 10 year old crowd.
3a) So it being better because of "realism" doesn't really make sense. Unless I misunderstood this:


I also have to agree that the 2007 movie was more towards the 20+ year old crowd, and the animated movie was for 5-10 year olds.

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Overall, Transformers is a deeply satisfying film for anyone who is a fan of the original show but not so slavishly tied to the admittedly immature interpretation of that twenty-year old half-hour toy commercial.


This is one area where I think that people who bring up the argument about the amount of commercials is just nonsensical. The original cartoon was basically a half hour cartoon, so I had no problem with the amount of advertisements.

My main areas of concern *SPOILERS*:

I didn't really care for the fact that every Transformer could basically shape shift at will. As you mentioned, in the cartoon, Teletraan I was what determined the actual objects they would transform into. As for where the parts came from? Maybe it was repairs, and the scraps left around he earth limited them to what they could transform into.

You already mentioned the Allspark turning everything into Decepticons. I can deal with it bringing electroncs alive, but it would have to do a little more than that to turn a microchip into somehing that can shape shift at will.

Megatron vs Starscream. Nothing really ever happened.

Megatron. Huge Weaving playing the voice with Frank Welker playing the original and also plays the voice of Megatron in the video game. Also, Megatrons short time in the movie as well as his untimely demise.

Which leads to my main concern, as addressed by the previous thread. The amount of useless characters. I'm not going to touch plot holes. As a Transformers fan, I already knew there were numerous plotholes in the cartoon, so I can live with them. But I felt as if this movie was a cameo movie for every actor who enjoyed Transformers in their childhood. I still think that a fair number of characters could have had their parts removed which would have made the overall plot less nonsensical, as well as bring the movie into a more reasonable running time.

Overall, I did enjoy the movie. I have a hard time though to make a statement that this is better than the animated movie. Hopefully though, they correct Devistator in the sequal as well as bring in Soundwave. Someone on the IMDB forums actually made a good suggestion, that you could change the tape deck into the Flash memory cards that are used by MP3 players today. Similar shape, and the overall design would be similar.

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b) I think you got the grades backwards: B+ for nerds; A+ for summer flick fans.

Agree.
Alpha_ProgDes
Alpha_ProgDes
Oh. Soooooundwave. I kept thinking of Shockwave. Oops. I did think that the stereo player was Soundwave but ended up being some Gremlin-sounding minion. He was funny though.
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Nytegard
Nytegard
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Oh. Soooooundwave. I kept thinking of Shockwave. Oops. I did think that the stereo player was Soundwave but ended up being some Gremlin-sounding minion. He was funny though.


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Oluseyi
Oluseyi
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Original post by Alpha_ProgDes
Two issues with your review:
1a) TF the Movie is targeted towards us* the 25 to 30 year old crowd whereas
2a) TF the Animated Movie was targeted towards us* the 5 to 10 year old crowd.
3a) So it being better because of "realism" doesn't really make sense.

Too many people complain that the new movie isn't faithful to the animated movie and tv show of 20 years ago, but we wouldn't be able to stomach that now. We all agree that the target audience of the two movies comprises the same people, just at different stages of their lives; consequently, a movie for us now has to be more realistic than the movie for us then. I suppose the "realism" comment is simply a refutation of the notion that translating the old show/movie as-is would suffice today.

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b) I think you got the grades backwards: B+ for nerds; A+ for summer flick fans.

Perhaps.

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What's with the Beast Wars hate? Can someone explain it to me?

Beast Wars broke the cardinal rule of what made the Transformers cool to begin with: the fact that they turned into vehicles. See, before Transformers boys played with toy cars (think Matchbox, and later Hot Wheels) or action figures (aka "dolls for boys," courtesy the original G.I. Joe). Transformers let you play with both, and because the toys were comparatively high quality and well articulated, both modes were fun. The tv show served to provide backstory, which was a springboard for our own adventures in our bedrooms and back yards.

Beast Wars was like a Transformers show starring only the Dinobots. (It's no accident that Grimlock is the only popular Dinobot, and the only one to have a speaking role in Transformers: The Movie.) For those of us who experienced the awesomeness and toy nirvana of Transformers, G.I. Joe (the action figures are incredible for three-inch vinyl dolls!) and M.A.S.K., Beast Wars was just a step backwards.
Ravuya
Ravuya
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The original cartoon had twenty- to thirty-storey robots doing battle on our planet (and even building their own city), yet no government ever seemed to notice, intervene or communicate directly with them?
It was the 80s.

GI Joe took frequent and lengthy interest in the Transformers during the comic books, though I'm still unsure if GI Joe is an official branch of the US military or some sort of filthy corporate wetworks that specializes in incompetent antiterrorism.
Alpha_ProgDes
Alpha_ProgDes
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The original cartoon had twenty- to thirty-storey robots doing battle on our planet (and even building their own city), yet no government ever seemed to notice, intervene or communicate directly with them?
It was the 80s.

GI Joe took frequent and lengthy interest in the Transformers during the comic books, though I'm still unsure if GI Joe is an official branch of the US military or some sort of filthy corporate wetworks that specializes in incompetent antiterrorism.


Government.
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Alpha_ProgDes
Alpha_ProgDes
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Original post by Oluseyi
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Original post by Alpha_ProgDes
Two issues with your review:
1a) TF the Movie is targeted towards us* the 25 to 30 year old crowd whereas
2a) TF the Animated Movie was targeted towards us* the 5 to 10 year old crowd.
3a) So it being better because of "realism" doesn't really make sense.

Too many people complain that the new movie isn't faithful to the animated movie and tv show of 20 years ago, but we wouldn't be able to stomach that now. We all agree that the target audience of the two movies comprises the same people, just at different stages of their lives; consequently, a movie for us now has to be more realistic than the movie for us then. I suppose the "realism" comment is simply a refutation of the notion that translating the old show/movie as-is would suffice today.

Point taken. Though I didn't expect Megatron and Optimus Prime to be brothers and for Megatron to whip his ass the way he did. The guy was wickedly monstrous and wickedly funny. "Disgusting." "Ahhhh." *thud* [lol]
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Scint
Scint
So here's a question. Starscream only had about one line the entire movie. Obviously with him being the only surviving Decepticon (well, still functional), he will probably have a larger part in the next movie. So the question is, do you want him to have his original annoying yet character defining voice?

I agree with Oluseyi's review. My only gripes were the product placements, too many parts with humans (who were merely supporting characters in the cartoon, not the main characters), and no banter between the Decepticons. The Decepticons had very few lines, unfortunately.
Washu
Washu
I think the movie was missing something...
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Benjamin Heath
Benjamin Heath
The ads, lads
The product placement didn't bother me so much. When the whole freaking lineup of vehicles is from GM (excusing Peterbilt and military vehicles), that's to be expected.

Devastator
I did have a little gripe, but I forgave it. They introduced a single tank as Devastator. Come on! No. I was one of those kids who had all the Constructicons together, so that got me a little perturbed.

Yes, perturbed. Word of the day.

But I let that one go. Bonecrusher still had a big fight with Prime, and Megatron was about the original Devastator's size anyway.


Agent Smith
I knew Hugo Weaving was the voice of Megatron, but I really couldn't tell with all the distortion. But then there was that one part toward the end where Sam is hiding from him on top of that building, and the big guy starts saying, "Why do you continue? Is it because of peace or love or this or that or..."

Mm-kay, yeah, that's Hugo Weaving. Megatron == Agent Smith.


The black one
I always notice this with Spielberg movies. It was Samuel L. Jackson in Jurassic Park, and this time around it was Jazz (the stereotypical black one) who was the first Autobot to die... I'm just sayin...


Summary
It was better than the first movie, which is still a nerd treasure in my house. Most importantly, it doesn't have Judd Nelson. So that's good.

I'm a fanboy and I give it an A. It does exactly what it set out to do (excusing some changes and a plot hole).
Scint
Scint
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Devastator
I did have a little gripe, but I forgave it. They introduced a single tank as Devastator. Come on! No. I was one of those kids who had all the Constructicons together, so that got me a little perturbed.




I have a sad story. When I was a kid, my parents got me one of the constructicons. It was the cement truck, one of the legs. I was really excited because I really wanted to make Devastator. Christmas came -- no more constructicons. Birthday came -- still no constructicons. My parents never got me the rest of Devastator. It's not like I could buy the rest myself, I was only 5 years old. In fact, the only other transformer my parents got me was some damned insecticon. I have yet to forgive them for this.
owl
owl
shouldn't the thread's title warn about *SPOILERS* ?
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Iron Chef Carnage
Iron Chef Carnage
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I have a sad story. When I was a kid, my parents got me one of the constructicons. It was the cement truck, one of the legs. I was really excited because I really wanted to make Devastator. Christmas came -- no more constructicons. Birthday came -- still no constructicons. My parents never got me the rest of Devastator. It's not like I could buy the rest myself, I was only 5 years old. In fact, the only other transformer my parents got me was some damned insecticon. I have yet to forgive them for this.
I have been crying for 12 minutes and 21 seconds.
Oluseyi
Oluseyi
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The original cartoon had twenty- to thirty-storey robots doing battle on our planet (and even building their own city), yet no government ever seemed to notice, intervene or communicate directly with them?

It was the 80s.

And we were on Cold War edge, with the "moral clarity" of that era. The correct excuse is, "it was a children's cartoon."

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GI Joe took frequent and lengthy interest in the Transformers during the comic books...

Speaking of which, I'm sure a G.I. Joe movie is in the works, but I have pretty dismal hopes for it. I made a foray to the toy store today, and all I could find were Sigma 6 action figures - with their horrid "anime-inspired" art style, poor anatomy and fairly weak character design.

Then again, I doubted Saint Michael (Bay)...
Oluseyi
Oluseyi
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shouldn't the thread's title warn about *SPOILERS* ?

The spoiler warning is in bold, before you start reading the actual analysis/review. I could place it in the title, but I've actually run out of characters.

So, no. *shrug*
Oluseyi
Oluseyi
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The black one
I always notice this with Spielberg movies. It was Samuel L. Jackson in Jurassic Park, and this time around it was Jazz (the stereotypical black one) who was the first Autobot to die... I'm just sayin...

He wasn't just stereotypically "black," he was damn near a fucking coon. At least Tyrese balanced their representation of blackness... *sigh*

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