Mixing and Mastering

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Hi,

I've had a google and a look around this forum lately for some good advice on mixing mastering but I can't seem to find what I need. At the moment I've found that all of my composing skills and samples are pretty decent but the one area I'm seriously lacking in is mixing and mastering. I don't have any audio files at the moment to show you guys but I would love it if you could help out with any decent articles or just your advice would be great! My mixes sound very jumbled and unclean and I'd like to make them cleaner and heaps more professional sounding as well as epic but I can't get it right...So anything you have to offer would be great :)

Thankyou,

Caleb Faith

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What sort of music are you trying to mix?

There's plenty of people teaching mixing concepts on YouTube.

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Sorry forgot to mention that - Orchestral music :)

One of the best pieces of advice I was given for this is "Don't be in love with any of your instrument parts."

Very often, when the composer is also the mixer, there is a desire to make sure all the "cool stuff" is heard. But the nature of mixing means something are foreground and somethings aren't.

Yes, there a lot of great videos that talk about multiband compression and EQ, but if your "cool parts" are all competing for the listener's attention, it can make a mix sound "jumbled and unclean" and all the techie stuff won't make any difference.

Try this as an experiment. Find a friend,fellow composer and mix each other's music (separate from each other). See what you each come up with. You'll both have the benefit of a dispassionate viewpoint doing the mix.

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Try this as an experiment. Find a friend,fellow composer and mix each other's music (separate from each other). See what you each come up with. You'll both have the benefit of a dispassionate viewpoint doing the mix.

I've never heard of anyone doing that, yet it makes so much sense.

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One of the best pieces of advice I was given for this is "Don't be in love with any of your instrument parts."

Very often, when the composer is also the mixer, there is a desire to make sure all the "cool stuff" is heard. But the nature of mixing means something are foreground and somethings aren't.

Yes, there a lot of great videos that talk about multiband compression and EQ, but if your "cool parts" are all competing for the listener's attention, it can make a mix sound "jumbled and unclean" and all the techie stuff won't make any difference.

Try this as an experiment. Find a friend,fellow composer and mix each other's music (separate from each other). See what you each come up with. You'll both have the benefit of a dispassionate viewpoint doing the mix.

Thanks for your advice :) I've just sent my track to a friend to mix and we'll see how this goes ;)

I'll give you some pointers from my own experience and maybe you will find it helpful!

Unfortunately one of the things with youtube is that there is so much bad advice. Now someone might go and say there's not really bad advice that there are just different approaches, some more appropriate than others. But I always try and look for reliable sources from people who have been doing this professionally.

I do some orchestral compositions and I mix and master my own stuff though I come from a rock background as a bass and guitar player. I still struggle to get my orchestral stuff to sound like the pros. I think something is good and then I hear someone else's work and I think "oh my god this is AMAZING" *sigh* But that's always the artist's curse.

I try and spend time listening to real orchestral recordings, my favorite movie scores, and emulating how they feel. Again, since I have a rock background I kept wanting to mix my percussion very up front and "heavy" but it ended up making my mixes sounding thin when they hit a limiter or any sort of bus compression. So given some more studying and messing with EQs you'll eventually figure out how to achieve that sound you're looking for and then you can start to slowly integrate special techniques.

One thing I always wanted to do was wash everything in reverb, but I studied more on this and I think I have improved. So I think maybe that's one thing you might want to look into. There are many ways to achieve "depth" in mixing. Carving out instruments via EQ is one way, but adding the appropriate reverb can be another way. Not to make it "better," but to achieve a new realism and life to your mixes that maybe they are lacking.

Another thing I've always been told by many many composers is to really get the hang of using your MIDI CC messages. Really dig in and use expression to give everything movement. I've had a hard time with this because I haven't spent much time with orchestral instruments so I have to always have a reference on how they should sound (Or at least what I'm trying to achieve). So making sure your automation is killer can be important to the mix rather than worrying about EQ, compression, and etc. And sometimes I forget this and my strings sound flat, or my horns don't have power. Just automation can really make a huge difference.

As far as mastering, a really great plugin is iZotope Ozone. It's got a lot of great tools and can EASILY be misused. But there are tons of tutorials on how to use it's advanced features to make professional sounding masters (That is if you don't already use it)

And of course, bounce your mixes off of someone else! I have a few friends I always go to, most of them are mix engineers, live sound engineers and don't really do composition, but they have an ear for a good track so it's good to get another perspective. Sending them to random people you don't really trust can be hard and subjective and it may be hard to tell where you need to go with your mix.

Anywho, I hope this has been helpful!

I'm really glad you brought this up, CR. I have a very hard time balancing my music. It's funny, I can hear what I want my music to sound like when listening to other pieces, and yet I can't seem to achieve the same result on my own, for both electronic and orchestral pieces.

Thanks to those who left feedback on this thread.

Also, for anyone wanting to try their hand at the swapping of music, I'm totally up for a round. I know I have plenty to learn from others!

My Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/jasminecoopermusic

"The moment you cheat for the sake of beauty, you know you are an artist." Max Jacob

It's funny, I can hear what I want my music to sound like when listening to other pieces, and yet I can't seem to achieve the same result on my own, for both electronic and orchestral pieces.

Mixing should really be nipping and tucking to round off the sharp corners and smooth the rough surfaces of the mix. 90% of a great mix is good, solid sound design (be it synthesis, sampling, recording or whatever), such that the mix elements naturally sit in their appropriate ranges. Things like frequency masking from sounds competing for space or bloating/crowding of the mix will suck away the clarity and headroom.

Keep some reference material handy and really zoom your focus in on where elements are positioned and why. Dig deep into your references and try and pick out some new detail or perspective on their mix. Critical listening is a skill that needs to be developed as all the theoretical understanding in the world won't save you if you cannot hear where your mix is, where it needs to be and and the difference in the subtle mix changes needed to get the mix there.

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