Downloading the vc++ express beta didn't work so I'm going back to dev-c++ until I can get vc++.net2003.Man this sucks I didn't want to shell out the dollar dollar bill it's $120.00[wow], but I guess if I have to I'll get it untill vc++ 2005 express comes out in March.By the way thanks ontheheap you saved me quite a few bucks by putting that link to that free version of thinking in c++,i'm only on chapter one, but thats because i've got a ton of school work to do :(:(.