Elves are part of the problem

bishop_pass · 2003-11-25T21:54:54

I mentioned this before. Elves are part of the problem. Goblins, robots and spaceships contribute as well. I started a thread a while back in the Visual Arts Forum in an attempt to get people to do art that was about more mundane things, specifically not goblins, spaceships, or other such things. I provided links to a lot of Western art and cowboy art as an example of other things to create art of. That''s an interest of mine, so it stands to reason that I would have more information about that subject, so I posted information on that subject. What I got as feedback and responses in that thread were pictures of anime (soemthing I also specifically requested not be in the thread), pictures of goblin like creatures, robots, arguments about anime as if it was a dominating force driving the art market (it''s not - it''s not even present in the art market pretty much), funny pathetic arguments in an attempt to subvert the thread from its purpose, etc. What I wanted to see was art of automobiles, street scenes, people, landscapes, cowboys, period pieces, whatever. Most individuals in that thread couldn''t even relate to that subject matter. And, considering people in that forum are conceivably very interested in becoming effective at producing art, they fell short of my challenge. I argued that when one draws a goblin or a robot, there work does not have a metric for it to be compared against to the same tune that more conventional subject matter does. When one draws a picture of a goblin, the finer nuances of facial proportions are lost, even facial expression, tone, etc. In other words, the artist can get it wrong, and the viewer doesn''t know the artist got it wrong, because what the Hell is a goblin supposed to look like anyway? Draw a portrait of a cowboy instead, Suddenly you''re challenged. You need to get the clothing right, the facial proportions right, the actions right, the finer nuances of his trade right, everything. All of a sudden, you need to be a good artist, a knowledgable artist, a well researched artist, an artist who watches the finer nuances and subtleties of life, a better artist. Which brings me to my point. All of this analogizes to game design, and the chosen subject matter we find in games. I have mentioned in a few recent threads how research and development should or could be carried out, but it''s unlikely to happen, because the dominant subject matter continues to be one in which no research is necessary. There''s a lot of people out there in the World who aren''t particularly fascinated by elves and goblins or other such creatures. But game developers sure are. And as long as that remains the case, so will the audience be limited to such. But, alas, how many game developers are qualified to pursue different subject matter? Granted, there have been numerous historical games, but they mostly seem to be tactical simulations, where the focus of research was essentially weapons - altogether not quite as impressive when one looks at it.

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Started by bishop_pass November 19, 2003 10:38 AM

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Neoshaman

180

November 25, 2003 08:56 PM

take care of axiom, they build the whole illusion...
i has re read all the thread once again, trying to go beyond the fact to have an understanding of each approach

i have a single simple question i want to see how people are related with

what is quality?? when did something has quality, define quality

i know the answer seems simple, but it''s really the whole matter maybe we will have a better understandand of the main matter

will play this game??

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
be good
be evil
but do it WELL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be goodbe evilbut do it WELL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

HenryApe

120

November 25, 2003 09:54 PM

quote:SF didn''t just bring a lot to the table in terms of a mature form of literature, it helped bring sanity to some of the scariest moments in recent history.

I think all the things you mention are inherent in SF''s defining characteristic, that it is literature about science and technology. Since science and technology is so important to our society, so will literature, visions, and philosophy about it be. Anyway, we''re getting OT here so I''ll just shut up about it now.

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