One thing about Forte -- if you have a dual processor system like we have where I work, it performs much better than if you have a single CPU. The program is faster on a dual 450 PIII than it is on a single 700 PIII with the same amount of RAM.
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That''s because thats 900 mhz as opposed to 700.
I use textEdit myself... small, clean, efficient... Considering I learned Java using wordpad, I find it much easier to just stick my hands in the guts. Don''t need a special evironment.
I use textEdit myself... small, clean, efficient... Considering I learned Java using wordpad, I find it much easier to just stick my hands in the guts. Don''t need a special evironment.
quote:Original post by JEDMaster
I use textEdit myself... small, clean, efficient... Considering I learned Java using wordpad, I find it much easier to just stick my hands in the guts. Don''t need a special evironment.
I used to think so also. Some years ago I used to be a fanatic MAKE and script writer and preferred command line interfaces for anything I did. I liked the flexible that that offered compared with some of the IDEs available then, but the world change and today you really can work much faster using an IDE.
To mention a few things that you most certainly get through make files and normal text editors, even if they have syntax color coding. None of these are strictly neccesary (you don''t *need* an IDE) but many of them are time savers. To mention a few:
* An integrated visual debugger. Place break point directly from you your code and edit code at run time.
* Easy code navigation. For instance, many support features such as "go to definition" when you click on a variable or method and viola you are at the place in the code where it is deifned.
* automatic parameter help while you write so you don''t have to remember the parameter list of every single method.
* the ability to find methods in the help by just selected them and typing F1.
* Visual editors for user interfaces that can generate and parse code for you while you work. This is really great time savers speeding up user interface development manyfold.
* Syntax errors are indicated during coding - not compilation.
You cetainly can''t do these things without an IDE and avoiding IDEs is certainly a way of making things harder on yourself.
Jacob Marner
quote:Original post by JEDMaster
That''s because thats 900 mhz as opposed to 700.
No, it''s because Forte is multi-threaded and in Win2K, the JVM automatically takes advantage of the fact that there are two processors (i.e. some threads execute on one CPU while others execute on the other CPU).
A dual-processor system is not simply twice as fast as a single processor system. If the program being executed is not multi threaded, it will run only on one CPU, so on adual 450MHz machine the program will run MUCH slower than on a single 700MHz or higher machine.
Real programmers use vi. I once used visual age for java (linux version) but you''ll find that you can''t upgrade the IDE as fast as Sun roll out new JDK''s. Currently most only support 1.2 and you can bet it''ll will be a while until they start using 1.3. If your just starting its best not to use an IDE, you''ll just pick up bad habets. I know prof. developers who can''t code java with out their IDE (cuss the IDE fills in all the constructor stuff) and that is bad
If you wan''a do this stuff for real, kill M$ Windows install Linux or better still Free BSD...
quote:Original post by SteveMeisterOriginal post by JEDMaster
That''s because thats 900 mhz as opposed to 700.
No, it''s because Forte is multi-threaded and in Win2K, the JVM automatically takes advantage of the fact that there are two processors (i.e. some threads execute on one CPU while others execute on the other CPU).
A dual-processor system is not simply twice as fast as a single processor system. If the program being executed is not multi threaded, it will run only on one CPU, so on adual 450MHz machine the program will run MUCH slower than on a single 700MHz or higher machine.
I''m sorry but what _fool_ would build a nice duel processor system & then stick windows on it?? Bet you that my Duel 333 running Free BSD whips your duel 450 w/ M$ Windowz
i would have to say that nt does pretty well on a dual cpu box 
granted the 9x line doesnt know the second cpu exists
granted the 9x line doesnt know the second cpu exists
bobbin -- why, you elitist, socialist Linux/BSD snob ;-)
Truthfully, we have no problems running Win2K on these systems, and no complaints. Everything works, so why introduce a whole new level of complexity (and the vexation of our IT staff) by converting to a different OS?
Truthfully, we have no problems running Win2K on these systems, and no complaints. Everything works, so why introduce a whole new level of complexity (and the vexation of our IT staff) by converting to a different OS?
Forte and JBuilder are equally slow. Forte seems to be a bit faster though, and I prefer it over JBuilder, I haven''t liked a Borland product since Turbo C/Pascal. RAM is what you need with any ''Java IDE''. I find a K6 475mhz, 192MB works great. The 550mhz/128MB Pentium III at work is nice also, but my Celeron 466 with only 64MB doesn''t work very well. Bumping it up to 96MB should be a help. They require 64, with 128 being reccommended.
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quote:Original post by Anonymous Poster
Forte and JBuilder are equally slow. Forte seems to be a bit faster though, and I prefer it over JBuilder, I haven''t liked a Borland product since Turbo C/Pascal. RAM is what you need with any ''Java IDE''. I find a K6 475mhz, 192MB works great. The 550mhz/128MB Pentium III at work is nice also, but my Celeron 466 with only 64MB doesn''t work very well. Bumping it up to 96MB should be a help. They require 64, with 128 being reccommended.
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Ah, turbo pascal 7, now there was a real IDE, they don''t make them like that anymore.....
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