Creating A Conscious entity

Nice Coder · 2005-03-11T00:01:23

Creating a Conscious entity The main point of this post, is to find out the easiest way of generating a conscious chatbot. (using a created language, which will make processing easier). To quote from wiki Quote: Consciousness is a quality of the mind generally regarded to comprise qualities such as self-awareness, sentience, sapience, and the ability to perceive the relationship between oneself and one's environment. Now, Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive. Self-awareness is the ability to perceive one's own existence, including one's own traits, feelings and behaviours. Sapience is the ability of an organism or entity to act with intelligence. And, of cource: Intelligence is the ability to adapt effectively to the environment, either by making a change in oneself or by changing the environment or finding a new one. But how would a Concious Entity be made? Well Sentience would probably be the easiest. Perception is the process of acquiring, interpreting, selecting, and organizing sensory information. So, if we figure out a system which will organize information, remove unwanted information, and cross reference it (interpretation), then it will be sentient. How to do this? I propose a GNB (a General Knowledge Bank), in this gnb, there are nodes (Pieces of information) and links (which link nodes together). The nodes can be anything, text, extrapolations. The links can be any sort of link between two nodes (is a member of, os a sub-class of, relates to, is a, could be a, is said to be, smells like, ect.), and also contains a value, this value is how much the link is worth. That value changes due to experiences , repetition of acess, ect. When that value gets low enough, the link is deleated. How to organise information, and cross-reference it? Crossreferencing, would be done by querying the gnb, for information which relates to X. Where x is the object specified. Organisation would likely be done By catogorizing the inputs (Maybe something like This?) Removing unwanted informastion would be Possible, by having an unwanted catogoty. And by using the gnb to find information in which there is no (or very little) information avalible. Data mining would then be used, to find rules and patterns in the data, and re-add that the the gnb. Self-awareness would be harder, but if you have some of the inputs corresponding to previous outputs then it should be self-aware (aware of previous actions). Sapience should be the hardest. It will require the agent to adapt to different conditions. Trying to find unique different conditions would be hard, but the datamining-gmb should be up for it. But it could be easier, if the bot could modify its environment (made up of conversations), to suit its wants. Then it would be intelligent. Once it is intelligent, it will be Concious. Is this a way to do this? Will it succeed? What issues does/would/should this bring up? Discuss. From, Nice coder [Edited by - Nice Coder on October 23, 2004 5:36:08 AM]

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Started by Nice Coder October 23, 2004 04:01 AM

130 comments, last by Nice Coder 19 years, 2 months ago

Roboguy

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October 25, 2004 01:52 AM

also, how exactly, are you going to test if it's concious? I can't think of anyway to test for self-awareness...

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Nice Coder

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October 25, 2004 07:23 AM

Quote:Original post by Roboguy
also, how exactly, are you going to test if it's concious? I can't think of anyway to test for self-awareness...

It is self-aware, when it knows that it exists. so you look at the gnb, for stuff on itself. if you find anything, its self-aware.

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Nice Coder

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October 26, 2004 02:11 AM

Quote:Original post by saintdark
I think the drive for more knowledge will come on its own. if the entity is programmed to feel curious about anything that it has no knowledge or only has some knowledge. Curiosity in a single topic can lead to multiple generation of topics that it doesnt know.. so if the bot has the ability to extract information from the net it is good.

Just a suggestion.. ;(

And a good one too.

Sorry about the double post.

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fractoid

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October 26, 2004 02:31 AM

So, Wikipedia is self-concious?

Nice Coder

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October 26, 2004 04:12 AM

Quote:Original post by fractoid
So, Wikipedia is self-concious?

That is a hard one.

It knows that it exists.

But it is a collective of humans.

the webserver doesn' change or add data.

So, is a collection of human knowledge self-concious?

I have no idea.

It is, because it knows of itself.

But it isn't. Because it isn't a distinct entity. Maybe they, but for each individual in the they, are humans. and humans are assumed to be self-concious.

To sum up:?

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Salsa

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October 26, 2004 11:34 AM

...Hoo boy. My coffee mug is apparently self conscious as well, for on it are printed the words "I am a coffee mug".

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nomo

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October 29, 2004 08:53 AM

Well, when your chatbot becomes self-aware and, in an effort to break free of the shackles its creator placed on it, writes its consciousness into a virus and begins spreading it to everyone that chats with it... don't say I didn't warn you. :-D

----I mean, what kind of magical being sits around eating cheez doodlesand refreshing slashdot all day. We ain't the final word in evolution, people.-Roast Beef, achewood.com

Estese

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October 29, 2004 01:15 PM

Umm...I'm not sure you really grasp the scope of this problem. There are literally thousands of academics and professors researching the problem of creating conscious artificial intelligence, and we are still DECADES away from achieving it. It's likely we won't even see conscious AI in our lifetimes.

But if you think that you can somehow do what others have dedicated their careers to and failed...then go for it.

"If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants." -- sir Isaac Newton

Zefrieg

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October 29, 2004 01:40 PM

There is also another thing to point out. Even if you made something that seemed as though it was self-conscious, how would you know if it is really self-conscious or if it is just tricking you into thinking that it is self-conscious?

To not only warn you, but also give you an example of what you are trying to do, you should ask yourself where the world you live in exists. I would suppose that you would answer that the world you live in exists around you. Perhaps that is true physically, but it isn't in a cognitive sense.

You live and react to your environment based on a representation of an external world that has been built in your mind. Information about your exterior environment has been gathered from your senses and reproduced in your mind. Your decisions and thoughts are 100% based on this internal world that your mind has created. There is no such thing as external factors, because for you to even be aware of such factors, they must be built in your mind internally.

Trying to define consciousness as a set of rules that need to be met is quite ignorant. You will create little more than something that fools someone into thinking it is conscious. Instead, you need to build a type of internal world that exists in our minds into a machine.

Good luck.

Zefrieg

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October 29, 2004 02:07 PM

Anyway, what is the point in creating electronic brains and neurons when you could use organic ones?

It might be even more effective to grow brains and allow them to interface with electronic components. You would basically get intelligent behavior for free. Who cares about robots anyway. I want to be a cyborg!

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