Hi

Im doing a tactical game about modern US after a fall of society and urban fighting between rival factions/gangs/civil war. So guns are important. I need to divide into 3 levels for gameplay reasons and this is not entirely realistic but seems ok to me.

level 1: older or civilian guns

level 2: commonly used today, army

level 3: "next gen" looking cool (hardest category to fill in a good way).

What are your comments on my new lineup (see below)? It would be good to replace beretta smg and springfield rifle with something else maybe... Any cheap/bad bolt rifle that is common? Same with smg? Maybe something civilian?

HANDGUNS-----------------------------------------------
Raven Vest	1911		Beretta 92fs
Colt detective 	Glock 17	SIG 229
HiPoint	380			S&W model 500		 				

MACHINEPISTOLS-----------------------------------------
Mac-10		Micro UZI	brugger & thomet mp-9
TEC-9		Scorpion	pp2000
					




SMG-----------------------------------------------------
Beretta m12	MP5		HK MP7 40round
		HK UMP45	TDI vector			
				

SHOTGUNS------------------------------------------------
Sawnoff		Remington 870	Benelli m4
Mossberg 500	Street sweeper	SPAS-12 8r
			


ASSAULT RIFLES------------------------------------------
AKMS		M4		FN SCAR-L
FN FAL		Famas		HK G36C
				
				

BATTLE RIFLES-------------------------------------------
ruger mini14	M14		Mark 14 EBR
		
		

RIFLES--------------------------------------------------
springfield	remington 700	AWM accuracy international warfare magnum
				HK PSG-1
		


LIGHT MACHINEGUNS---------------------------------------------
RPD		M249 SAW	HK MG4

 

It might be advisable to actually track down this type of information through the copious amount of websites devoted to guns, their history as well futuristic gun designs. I think on this website the answers you will obtain will not match the quality you could obtain elsewhere (unless you are lucky enough to stumble across someone who happens to know about such stuff).

i got some good gun info from this site before:)

But you are right in principle of course. The thing is its not only about knowing about guns, its for a game after all, and that kind of thinking people who hang out here have, while most dedicated gun forums give me a bit uncomfortable vibe...

Why not link your previous threads on the same subject for background?
Otherwise people will just go over all the same stuff for no reason.

http://www.gamedev.net/topic/638390-number-of-firearms-in-adventurerpg-weak-to-strong-scaling-problem/
http://www.gamedev.net/topic/634495-guns-in-gangsurban-tactical-wargame/

SMGs, machine pistols, assault rifles and battle rifles have selective fire or full auto by definition, so your category labeling isn't quite accurate. For instance, a stock Mini-14 is not an assault rifle and a stock TEC-9 is not a machine pistol.

Many of the guns you list come both in semi-auto and auto varieties. The latter would of course be very rare in civilian hands. Certain guns (mainly older ones shooting off an open bolt) are easier to convert to automatic than others; for instance a TEC-9 modified to full auto would be believable. You might want to go through the list and mark with a * any guns you intend to be select-fire or full auto, to distinguish them from ones that you intend to only do semi-auto in the game.

If you ask me, you probably have too many select-fire and automatic guns on the list to fit the theme. Machine pistols in particular are a very marginal group. Realistically you wouldn't find many of them, and even if you did, you'd almost always want to use either a proper full-sized gun or a more compact handgun instead.

If you removed the Micro Uzi from the machine pistol tier, you could use an Uzi as the crap tier SMG without stylistic overlap.

The FN FAL is a battle rifle, not an assault rifle. Incidentally, you had this correct in the last thread's list.

Game will be hobby only. Never sold. If some company would complain in the end (by scanning the web for hobby projects?) i will change in that case.

yeah the categories above is a simplification, all guns will have their proper class ingame. I put them together showing what function they will have gameplay-wise (fal will have batter range/accuracy than AKMS is my idea). Ruger mini-14 is in the battle rifle group but will be called semi-automatic rifle (or carbine possibly, ive seen both names for it. Rifle suits better what role it will play gameplay wise, good range).

M1A is a civilian M14 right? I will not have both. Would it make more sense to use that gun? It will not have full auto anyway.

Machine pistols seems to be used by some drugrunners, mafia and such, this is why i also wanted them in the game alongside full sized SMGs (they fit the sidearm slot, gameplay wise).

Is the beretta m12 weird? I could add a full size UZI as a primary SMG of course... Maybe both?

Ill keep the M1903 springfield rifle (scoped) then as a tier 1 sniper. Seems possible enough.

AR15/M16 seems too similar to M4A1, dont want both. But i agree they are very common. Maybe skip M4 then?

AKM seems more in circulation in the western criminal world nowadays then original AK47, no? Also i wanted it with folding stock which i dont think old AK47 has.