Java taking over?

They''re wrong. Although java is becomming more powerful, it''s not going to replace everything anytime soon. .Net will take over before just java does.

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personally, i dont like java at all.. im using it alot at uni and i think its sits a fair way back from c++. but then again thats because ive used c++ for longer and im more accustomed to doing things that way. other opinions may vary, there are some things i like about java, single inheritance and interfaces, for example.. but all in all, i prefer c++ for just about any sort of programming task

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i dont like java and the sun microsystem propaganda machine.
C++ is a regulated standard by ansi. Java seems to change with every version , like 1.5 comming out soon.

java even contradicts itself like saying templates are complex so they wont be in java, but then 1.5 will have general classes which are templates..

personally, i prefer C / C++ since its an established standard on every platform.

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jwalker - just as a note, Java will not have templates, they willk ahve generics. While you might not get the difference, there is one - basically you can do a lot more with templates, and ist is this a lot more that makes them complex.


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I like JAVA!!! but not for makin'' games. But I think its a great programming language to develope tools to make games. The Java swing set provides cool tools to quickly wip up little simple applications.

But Java will never replace C or C++ in game programming!!!

Java is a nice language, and very fast to write with a good IDE like IntelliJ IDEA.

I especially like the way every Java coder has about the same codings standards. It's really easy to use any API found on the net since they're written like you expect, and it makes your code uniform. I wish Java language standard even *enforced* ppl to write with certain naming convention, but the current situation is good enough .

Eg. classes are written MyClass, functions myFunction() etc. C++ has no such standards, unfortunately. I see MyFunction(), my_function(), myFunction and all the other possible combination for every different lil' thing (classes, functions, globals, variables) in C/C++ code, which makes it a bitch to read sometimes.

[edited by - civguy on August 28, 2002 5:46:20 AM]

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.Net will take over before just java does.

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Big businesses don''t trust anything Microsoft. When there is a lot of sensitive information at hand banks, etc will explore all alternatives before they choose to go with a MS product.

I''d steer clear of .NET for the while until MS can sort out their security issues (which given their track record won''t be anytime soon).

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there is yet a lot of stuff in development with .NET.. since some years btw.. and simply because its microsoft it doesn''t mean its not good..

java is a great language, and i like it very much.. i just have no use for it:D i code c++.. its in fact sort of a crappy language, but somehow you can do everything in it, and thats fun:D

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Java is a great programming langage, and it''s not slow! Java 1.4 is very fast compared to the previous version... You like or you don''t like it, but Java is great. C++ is also great. but i prefer Java

i forgot to say that since january 2002, there are more Java programmers than C++ programmers in the world... But Java won''t replace anything, it simply brings new way to think a very powerfull network programming part...

The only thing that Java is replacing C++ on is to teach people object oriented concepts.

ps. Java and C++ are both great.

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I doubt Java or any other single environment is going to "take over" anything. There will always be alternatives.
<opinion>However, I do think its time for C++ to be retired. The language is quite simply too weak, bloated and legacy-ridden to justify it''s existence for much longer - at least without a major reworking. And since the language has effectively been sentenced to Death By Committee, this reworking is not very likely to happen.</opinion>

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"PL/I and Ada started out with all the bloat, were very daunting languages, and got bad reputations (deservedly). C++ has shown that if you slowly bloat up a language over a period of years, people don''t seem to mind as much."

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"The language is quite simply too weak, bloated and legacy-ridden to justify it''s existence for much longer"

Um...you can''t get tighter code than C++. I don''t know where you get this idea it''s bloated from. No one is forcing you to use anything you don''t want to and nothing you don''t use will be added to your exe.

Weak? What exactly has it failed to excell at?

Java will never take over. It''s too slow. Until it''s a fully compilable language it will never take over C++ and that would defeat the point of Java.

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Reason number one why Java should never be used comercially, it CAN be decompiled. Only people who make Open Source projects would like that, I dought people who work years on something would want others too see thier source.

Well, I assume you little physicist here has never heard that there are decompilers for C++, right? Actually decompilers generating C++ code again.

And that there are obfuscators for Java and .NET code that make the output extremely unreadable :-)

And that there are intellectual property rights :-)

And the story continues.


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KalvinB:
I belive arild was talking about feature bloated when he said what he did. And it most certainly is.

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Original post by KalvinB
Um...you can''t get tighter code than C++. I don''t know where you get this idea it''s bloated from.

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I don''t think Arild''s talking about the size of the resultant executable, but the size of the *language*, and the number of special cases one has to remember to avoid all the pitfalls.

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Weak? What exactly has it failed to excell at?

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Elegance?

"but the size of the *language*"

Who cares if it doesn''t actually effect the final output? None of that "bloat" is slowing down your project.

"and the number of special cases one has to remember to avoid all the pitfalls"

For example...?

And how does the number of cases in C++ compare to Java?

"Elegance?"

Oh yeah, there''s a critical aspect of a language. /sarcasm

How is Java any "prettier" than C++?

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Original post by SabreMan
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Weak? What exactly has it failed to excell at?

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Elegance?

elegance? how on earth is that relevent? java is just as bloated IMO as c++ with all the depracted methods/objects etc, etc... did any one read that article at o''reillys about things that should be fixed in java. just a question, not that im deriving my opinions from that article. (a little disclaimer, just in case)
i agree with what someone mentioned earlier java is better suited to learning OOP than most other languages.



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