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[java] Merry Christmas Java developers! (Microsoft to ship Sun's Java)

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As reported on slashdot, Microsoft has been ordered by a federal court to include Sun's implementation of Java in its operating system. Of course, we do not yet know what kind of direct consequences this ruling will have (if any), or if the will be upheld in the appeal's court, but the PR is a better Christmas present than we could ever have hoped for. Merry Christmas all Java developers! [edited by - HenryAPe on December 23, 2002 7:32:42 PM]

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This is pretty stupid. Sun just seems like a whiney, spoiled kid who can''t get it''s way, so it goes crying to the courts.

Will other companies now start forcing Microsoft to ship their products along with Windows? Why don''t they have to ship ICQ with Windows? Why don''t they have to ship winamp? Or the Quicktime player? Or hundreds of other things which people seem capable of downloading themselves anyway?

Oh well, I guess it''s a good thing that Windows will come with Java again...

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Original post by Dean Harding
This is pretty stupid. Sun just seems like a whiney, spoiled kid who can''t get it''s way, so it goes crying to the courts.

Will other companies now start forcing Microsoft to ship their products along with Windows? Why don''t they have to ship ICQ with Windows? Why don''t they have to ship winamp? Or the Quicktime player? Or hundreds of other things which people seem capable of downloading themselves anyway?

Oh well, I guess it''s a good thing that Windows will come with Java again...

If I had my way, I''d have all of you shot!


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Im not really sure where I stand on this one, but if you want some fun go argue with the ., people, they''ll set you straight!

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This ruling creates a bad precedent. How long do you think it will be before it used by other companies (and not just against Microsoft). People like Apple won''t be too happy when half a dozen companies start sueing (and winning because of the previous precedent) to have their buggy apps included in Mac OS/whatever (and Apple/whoever will be the ones getting tech support calls -$$$ and losing customer faith + thanks to faults in these 3rd party apps).

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go argue with the ., people

Was that intentional?




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MS violated a contract they signed. How is seeking redress in court whiny? At least this will get everyone up to 1.4.1.

"... we should have such an empire for liberty as she has never surveyed since the creation ..."
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They signed a contract to bundle a competing product with Windows?


No, they agreed to bundle Java (their JVM) with Windows, but broke the contract by making it incompatible. It wasn''t a competing product at the time, it just became one once Microsoft decided to put together .NET and therefore needed to drive Sun out of the marketplace.

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I think is good for the Java game developers.

I wouldnt mind if Java wasnt shipped with Windows...if only the lazy end users would download the VM (And if SUN for the love of God would make it smaller)

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This is pretty stupid. Sun just seems like a whiney, spoiled kid who can't get it's way, so it goes crying to the courts.

The only people who sound like whiny kids to me are the Microsoft apologists who cry everytime the company gets the least bit of punishment or negative publicity for the crimes it has been convicted of. I am glad the judge that handed out this ruling does not seem to be one of them.

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How long do you think it will be before it used by other companies

I it is quite reare that a OS company breaches a contract with another company in order to ship a deliberately sabotaged version of the other company's product.

Forcing Microsoft to carry Sun's Java as compensation for abusing their monopoly powers and breaking their contract with Sun in order to sabotage Java is as just as a court ruling gets.

[edited by - HenryAPe on December 24, 2002 6:18:43 AM]

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