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Fact=Violent and sex entertainment does have a Negative Impact on kids

Started by Warsong Jan 3, 2003 at 4:14 PM 173 replies 11.7k views

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Jan 3, 2003 at 4:14 PM

I see many that say violent entertainment is ok but the fact is that it isn’t ok and it doesn’t mean that it will make you be a raving lunatic if you watch them but many other things. “There are hundreds of studies showing a connection between violence on TV and its impact on children — from aggressive behavior to sleep disturbances. third-, fourth-, and fifth-grade children who watch media violence are more likely to treat their peers with rudeness and mean behavior. (Look at some people that support violence and then show hostile responses.) Only a very tiny fraction of kids actually commit criminal violence. But even among those children who don’t, they may become more hostile, more desensitized, and more frightened.” Also ratings don’t help and to avoid violence is a joke since it’s so wide spread that u can’t escape it. Some that think it’s healthy to watch it and causes less violence doesn’t really know every fact. The people that say that violent entertainment doesn’t do anything are trying to sell you something. And the research that says its all BS is mostly bias and paid for by the companies that support violence. It’s like asking a terrorist to inspect his own country for nukes. Lol But most of all explain to the kid things and take time because he will eventually see the negative things. Every year new studies support and that fact that violence does affect kids. Some game companies like EA know this very well and take pride that they don’t make games like GTA3 and are avoid making games like that. Even the master of horror Alfred Hitchcock knew where to draw the line on violence. Even the military uses many techniques to desensitize soldiers, and they know far too well what works and what doesn’t; so they come on many times on TV going against violent entertainment. Funny how all the experts say it’s not good but the companies that make a profit from violent images and people that know ½ about it say it’s good. What some don’t know may hurt them, and it seems that more people cry out not true and get their opinions heard more and the more they say it the more people believe it. The most important place not have a violent environment is in your personal life, and if that is non violent and is mixed with violent entertainment all the time then their will be some problems for kids. Adults are stronger to take more violence but many people don’t know what is best and aren’t smart enough to understand. For more research look on the net and there is far more evidence that’s its bad than good. http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:57tHw4zyJa8C:www.msnbc.com/news/823956.asp+fact+violent+negative+influence+kids+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 http://www.dailystarnews.com/magazine/2002/11/01/health.htm http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/pitofsky/naag99.htm ------------ The various entertainment media industries have lots of money to spend on trying to convince the general public and political leaders that there is nothing to worry about. And they do spend large sums on this. Unlike the research community, which is interested in scientific truth, the media industry is very concerned about profits and will do almost anything to protect those profits. A recent book by James Steyer titled “The Other Parent: The Inside Story of the Media’s Effect on Our Children,” reveals much about how this works in the U.S.. I suspect that most people would be shocked by many of the revelations contained in this book (published by Simon & Schuster, 2002). I personally have witnessed media industry lobbyists lie about a factual issue, watched them get caught in that lie, and then seen the same lobbyist deliver the same lie to a different group a year later. So, whenever listening to an expert, one must first distinguish between real vs. industry-supported experts. http://www.youngmedia.org.au/mediachildren/05_07_violence_anderson.htm Ask yourself if God, Christ, or another watch and encourage violent entertainment?

DakeDesu

Jan 3, 2003 at 4:24 PM

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Original post by Warsong
Ask yourself if God, Christ, or another watch and encourage violent entertainment?

You obviously have never read the old testament. God was drunk during the period of the new one. The repeative "I love you man," really should give it away.

500 x1

Oh yeah, and nice troll.

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[edited by - DakeDesu on January 3, 2003 5:27:13 PM]

Stoffel

Jan 3, 2003 at 4:25 PM

Not only that--books are quite violent as well. And some of these aren''t just entertainment--they''re supposed to be indoctrination! Read, if you dare..

T h i n k L i b e r a l l y .

krez

Jan 3, 2003 at 4:26 PM

it is the parent''s responsibility to raise their children. they are the ones who should filter what entertainment their kids see or play with. instead, many people would rather bitch and moan and try to ruin it for everyone, when in fact they should be spending that time and effort raising civilized children.

i have a young daughter, and i love violent video games, and movies with sex, violence, and explosions. i love the band gwar. i also have the ability to prevent my daughter from playing these games and watching these movies until she is older. i don''t know if she should ever go to a gwar concert

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Ask yourself if God, Christ, or another watch and encourage violent entertainment?

your god has nothing to do with my games.

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Oxyacetylene

Jan 3, 2003 at 4:39 PM

I don''t personally see why I should be stopped from watching/playing something because it has a negative effect on kids. Last time I checked I wasn''t a child.

What I choose to watch or play is no ones business but my own. In my opinion, it''s dangerous to ban things, based on what some people deem to be offensive, or unacceptable. Who decides what is offensive or too violent?

I can''t really understand peoples need to ban things that offend them personally, or do not fit in with their particular belief system. If you don''t want to watch violent films, or play violent games, then don''t. Simple as that. I will continue to watch and play quite happily. :D

At the end of the day, what games I choose to play, or what films I choose to watch is none of anyones business. I''m not a violent person, why should I be stopped from enjoying these forms of entertainment?

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Ask yourself if God, Christ, or another watch and encourage violent entertainment?

I don''t particularly care or see the relevance. Why would I care what an entity I don''t believe in thinks, any more than I care what santa claus thinks?

Oxyacetylene

Jan 3, 2003 at 4:42 PM

Although, the important question I think we should all ask ourselves is.

Would the egyptian sun god ra approve of violent entertainment?

Arild Fines

Jan 3, 2003 at 4:44 PM

Odin would.

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gn0m3

Jan 3, 2003 at 4:56 PM

Just a few quotes from that first article...

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“Kids don’t learn that much about sex from their parents"
“Many parents simply don’t understand the ratings"

Who''s fault is this?

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“Many parents don’t understand that the news is very powerful"

Great, while we''re shielding them from reality lets put them in a little sound proofed plastic bubble as well. Sure the news can be bad, but if you as a parent don''t teach them, who''s going to?

Overall I''d say yes, violence and sex do have an effect on children, but as long as the parents take responsiblity and teach them right from wrong and reality from fiction society as a whole shouldn''t go too wrong. There will always be the few that decide to go kill themselves or shoot up schools, but that''s how it is. And next to an entire ban on weapons, or a fascist government with absolute control, (the first of which is naive, the second which may not be too far in the future

j/k)there is no solution to this problem.
The truth of the matter is, people have emotions, people get pissed off/screwed up in the head, people kill each other, that''s how we always have been and forever will be, regardless of race, religion, or nationality.

Hase

Jan 3, 2003 at 5:46 PM

blah, blah, blah, blah.... this debate is almost as old as this God fellow you´re referring to.

there´s plenty of "evidence" in either direction (depending on who comissioned it), which doesn´t touch me at all because I believe that a well adjusted kid CAN (and eventually will) have to deal with violence - not just media violence but actual real world stuff.

so yeah, I´m blaming the parents.

and if there´s a M sticker on my game I couldn´t give a rats ass about who plays it, if parents are too lazy or dumb to take care of their kids that´s really not my problem.
what I won´t stand for however is that a few (million) idiots who cannot take care of their brood on their own ruin a whole media for everyone by pointing fingers.
and no, I also don´t give a damn about the bible thumpers. If you don´t like games/films/books, don´t consume. But don´t go on witch hunts trying to ruin everyone.

lets hope that the search feature gets back soon - five minutes of digging could have saved us from this thread.

Grambo

Jan 3, 2003 at 7:19 PM

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Original post by Oxyacetylene
Who decides what is offensive or too violent?

And if the games that were too violent were banned then eventually people would become over sensitive to violence and before you know it the only game that isnt banned is pong and, well lets just say it wouldnt be around for much longer either.

The point of this post: Banning things for being violent or whatever is never a good thing.

[edited by - Grambo on January 3, 2003 8:19:27 PM]

DakeDesu

Jan 3, 2003 at 7:24 PM

quote:
Original post by Hase
blah, blah, blah, blah.... this debate is almost as old as this God fellow you´re referring to.

According to (some) Wiccan beliefs: God dies every year at Samhain, and is born on the winter Solstice. So therefor this debate is only 12-14 days old. j/k

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there´s plenty of "evidence" in either direction (depending on who comissioned it), which doesn´t touch me at all because I believe that a well adjusted kid CAN (and eventually will) have to deal with violence - not just media violence but actual real world stuff.

You know, a good portion of these parents arguing against video games want to allow spanking their child. Just give me a couple billion dollars and I will start a ten year research project that links parents against video games to the Texans who want Capital Punishment back.

I am sure that would shut a lot of people up.

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and if there´s a M sticker on my game I couldn´t give a rats ass about who plays it, if parents are too lazy or dumb to take care of their kids that´s really not my problem.
what I won´t stand for however is that a few (million) idiots who cannot take care of their brood on their own ruin a whole media for everyone by pointing fingers.
and no, I also don´t give a damn about the bible thumpers. If you don´t like games/films/books, don´t consume. But don´t go on witch hunts trying to ruin everyone.

Here, Here! Let us hear it for the drunken invisible hant that... woo!! (not now DIH, but maybe later)... anyways, let us hear it for the drunken invisible hand that has allowed faulty products like mySQL, Microsoft Windows 95, and Kazaa to rise to success.

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lets hope that the search feature gets back soon - five minutes of digging could have saved us from this thread.

You know, if Warsong does not turn this into yet another holy war, I will probably do it instead.

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EvilTachikoma

Jan 3, 2003 at 7:30 PM

It is actually the other way around !

Kids have a negative impact on violence and sex based entertainment. Damn those kids their parents and society for having such fragile little minds ¬_¬''

Hase

Jan 3, 2003 at 7:41 PM

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Original post by DakeDesu
According to (some) Wiccan beliefs: God dies every year at Samhain, and is born on the winter Solstice. So therefor this debate is only 12-14 days old. j/k

I stand corrected. Give the little shitter my regards (or rather the poor priests taking care of infant God). And mercy on them when he starts to crawl... nevermind - they kill him off before that, right?

beantas

Jan 3, 2003 at 7:55 PM

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Original post by Warsong
third-, fourth-, and fifth-grade children who watch media violence are more likely to treat their peers with rudeness and mean behavior. (Look at some people that support violence and then show hostile responses.)

My research shows that forum members who read this cliched and preachy thread are more likely to roll their eyes.

Wikkyd

Jan 3, 2003 at 7:56 PM

So what would you have Warsong? The government ban video games because people are too f*king lazy to police their own children''s actions?

This is nothing but trying to shovel self righteous dogma down other peoples throats is all this is.

You want to know what is traumatic for children? Bible thumping Christian converters stalking playgrounds trying to ''save'' their souls. Now THATS traumatic!

Greg Brown

Jan 3, 2003 at 7:59 PM

If you think violent video games don''t make kids kill you are kidding yourself. Just look at the Columbine incident. I think these violent games like Doom and Grand Turissmo Auto should be banned.

krikkit

Jan 3, 2003 at 8:02 PM

The only thing we''re supposed to feel good about is war and paying taxes. Everything else, from sex to games to thanksgiving day traditions, we are supposed to doubt and fear and ignore, and become naught but productive working citizens, day in and day out. Unless you are chronically on welfare, then you are suppose to only support war and others'' paying of taxes, and keep voting in the people who promise more money to live off of.

EvilTachikoma

Jan 3, 2003 at 8:09 PM

NOOOOO ! After reading the word Doom and banned in the same sentence I have been emotionally scared, probably for the rest of my life. The game Doom by Id softare is a virtual vidiv manifistation of hell on earth in the form of an almost 3D FPS. Good and smart christian parents have been using that game as a tool for scaring their kids into obedience since the early nineties

[edited by - EvilTachikoma on January 3, 2003 9:11:07 PM]

joanusdmentia

Jan 3, 2003 at 8:10 PM

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According to (some) Wiccan beliefs: God dies every year at Samhain, and is born on the winter Solstice. So therefor this debate is only 12-14 days old. j/k

only in the northern hemisphere

add 6 months for down south

I played plenty of violent games and watched plenty of movies (saw chucky at the age of 10). Now, I don''t know anyone that would consider me violent or aggressive, I didn''t have trouble sleeping as a kid (well actually I did, but that was before my induction into violent entertainment), in fact the only influence that I can se it had on me was being desensitized to violence. Does that make me a bad person? Does it mean I have issues? Does it mean I go around beating the crap out of anyone that looks funny at me? No, it doesn''t.

Now I realize that just because it hasn''t affected me doesn''t mean it won''t affect someone else. My point is that everyone is different, and no study is ever going to be able to say ''yes it does'' or ''no it doesn''t'' simply because the answer will always be different for each individual. This is partly why it''s the parents responsibility.

I am sick and tired of people trying to abolish violence. Hell, today society is the _least_ violent it has ever been. Remember the good old days in medieval times when you could take the family down to join in on the days stoning of the witch?

In closure, violence in the real world sucks, I''m sure we all agree on that. But there''s nothing more satisfying than being able to let out a bad day at work/school on the mouse and keyboard!!

PS.

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Ask yourself if God, Christ, or another watch and encourage violent entertainment?

Wonderful, the ''because God says so'' argument. You do realize that it was the snake that told the truth in Eden, don''t you? Not that i''m Satanist mind you, just something to chew on

Joanus D''Mentia
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The three phases of me...
The twit, the tool and the lonely fool

matt_j

Jan 3, 2003 at 8:14 PM

The sniper in the East US a while ago... Oooh. Everyone is whining and crying about it. Jeeeez. I roll my eyes and almost want to laugh. Compare that to what seems to be easily accepted in today's media. And little 8 year olds are playing GTA3 every day. Violent computer game might not affect you 16 year olds and up, but to them it is much more real. Even if they don't get bad ideas from it, they are still desenitized, and joining in with the wrong crowd eg terrorists and gangs, won't seem so bad.

I swear I will never make a game that rewards wanton violence and sex. The world doesn't need it.

[edited by - matt_j on January 3, 2003 9:15:47 PM]

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