Software piracy bad? Napster good?

Well, technically, "nabbing" copyrighted MP3s is already illegal... That is, unless they''ve been released by someone with some authority to do so



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Ok, fair enough, but you got to admit it''s more accepted than warez....why is that so?

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You should have heard how many people were bitching in the chat room when scour shut down.

these were the same people who tar and feathered people who even mention software piracy too. Quite humourous in my opinion.

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Original post by dimitri_gamer

Ok, fair enough, but you got to admit it''s more accepted than warez....why is that so?

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Probably because it''s so damned easy :/





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Ugh, who says downloading files off of Napster is illegal? Downloading copyrighted songs is illegal, but downloading public domain songs is perfectly legal, and thats where the difference is, warez is not public domain, ever. Of course people use Napster to download public domain songs, in fact, if you have the CD for copyrighted songs, downloading those songs on your computer is also legal.

So, yes, I agree that Napster is perfectly fine, but warez isn''t, because by definition warez is illegal, and you can decide whether to use Napster''s services for illegal stuff.

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Original post by Mithrandir

You should have heard how many people were bitching in the chat room when scour shut down.

these were the same people who tar and feathered people who even mention software piracy too. Quite humourous in my opinion.

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stupid scour...that was the best resource for bevis and butthead, southpark, and loads of mp3''s to listen to during school and after school.

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"the only thing I ask, is that if my games get pirated, people must do a good job of it." - Erick

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and artists don''t need brain at all

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Oh really?

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Original post by ImmaGNUman


So, yes, I agree that Napster is perfectly fine, but warez isn''t, because by definition warez is illegal, and you can decide whether to use Napster''s services for illegal stuff.

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give me a break. Napster was intentionally created to pirate music, and don''t tell me otherwise. Whats even worse is that the programming is half assed (what the hell is with everyone releasing beta''s as full products nowadays?), and the company has made 15 million dollars from their IPO.

Not only that, but they have teamed up with Bartlesman Liquer and have agreed to pay Bartlesman royalties for every song transferred, even if the song isnt even on their label!

Napster was first about stealing music. Now its about Stealing money.


Any programmer who likes napster and is against warez is instantly a hypocrite.

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If there is a witness to my little life,
To my tiny throes and struggles,
He sees a fool;
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I like both


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"I am 17 and on medicare..."

Saying that Napster is wrong is like saying FM radio and tape recorders are wrong!

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Please dont'' say you like warez...I hope you didn''t mean you like warez...you''re already on dave''s badlist...oh god save this child for he has sinned! Lord! Save his soul! Oh lord....oh lord...

*churp*

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"the only thing I ask, is that if my games get pirated, people must do a good job of it." - Erick

Napster is a tool that can be used for both illegal and legal means. Saying ''napster is bad'' is similar to saying ''netscape is bad'', becuase netscape can also be used for downloading illegal items.


Mike

The difference between Netscape and Napster


Netscape: Program designed to view public domain hyperlinked text documents on the internet.

Napster: Program designed to view copyrighted music on the internet.


The guy who created napster created it specifically to download music he doesnt own. Of course he;s spewing all the rhetoric of "Im doing it to promote underground music", but that is just utter bullshit.

To promote music that people do not know about, you must inform the people of the music itself. Napster only allows people to search for music they already know about! Napster does NOT inspire people to go out and look for new music, it only inspires people to continue to listen to the yuppy mainstream crap that is so proponderant on the radio stations and on MoronTV.

The saddest irony of all is that Napster could be the ultimate tool of the record industry to push their cookie cutter music on the masses, and they are fighting it hand and feet.

oh well.

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If there is a witness to my little life,
To my tiny throes and struggles,
He sees a fool;
And it is not fine for gods to menace fools.

Couldn''t have been said better, Mith. Same thing I would''ve said....... but I''m afraid of flames .............. uh oh

Pouya: I thought game developers WERE artists. Anyways, saying it''s okay to steal from musicians, but not from game developers is just being selfish.

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oh gee, calm down mith

oh yeah, and to the guy who said listening to napster is like listening to radio: i think radio station have to have permission from the publisher to play the music on radio. they can''t just go buy a cd and play it for ppl

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Actually, doesn''t the publishers beg the radio stations to play their music?

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Jumpster

oh man....whatever

"it''s not my problem."

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"the only thing I ask, is that if my games get pirated, people must do a good job of it." - Erick

Actually, the reason for creation is irrelevant as to the legality and ''badness'' of napster. My point was they are both tools that can be used legally and illegally; it was an analogy so of course there are differences between netscape and napster. Nearly every single tool humans have invented can be used illegally; solely becuase there is an illegal use is not reason enough to ban it and call it ''bad''. And the same goes for the reason for creation.

Netscape can be used, and is used, to download illegal material, including copyrighted mp3s. The same goes for napster. The reasons they were created has no weight. Fanning may be spewing propoganda and rhetorical BS now, but so what? It''s very common for companies and those that work there to lie and mislead.

As to discovering music...have you used napster? They do have (limited) tools that help you discover new bands, and claim to be working to improve this. Right now, they have a whole ''discover'' screen to promote unknown music.

Radio stations have to pay every time they play a song.


Mike

I bet you guys didn''t know that IRC was created for porn.

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"the only thing I ask, is that if my games get pirated, people must do a good job of it." - Erick