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TFS_Waldo

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Okay, I wasn't sure exactly where to ask this question. But here it goes. Well, I turn 19 on Sunday. I've been needing a new video card for my development machine, as I currently have an older (quite a bit) ATI Rage Pro II+. LoL. But my dad wants to take me to get one. Well, here is how my machine is set up: Windows 2000 Pro SP4 PIII 733MHz 256MB RAM 60GB HD CD-ROM Drive CD-R/RW Drive PCI only, unfortunately =P Well, I downloaded the DirectX 9 SDK. I had to get the Dec. 2004 release, because anything newer does not support Win2000. But that's okay -- it still supports MDX, because I use VS .NET 2003 Pro. Okay, I have been looking at possibly a GeForce FX 5200 128MB. And I know it's not the NEWEST, but I don't have too great of a budget. I have looked into it, and it does support DX 9 and OGL 1.4. That's all I really need. It also supports pixel/vertex shaders, though I am not sure which versions. But that's okay, because I am just learning shader programming. But is there anything wrong with using the FX 5200? It's probably closest to the newest one I can find that fits my budget. And I don't really see why it'd be a big deal. I'm not looking to develop "hardcore" 3D applications or anything. LoL. I just need something that can handle DX9 (MDX, too) in a decent manner. I just wanted to know what others thought about getting one. And I don't have the greatest machine, so I think that this card will probably fit it the best. =) Thanks in advance, Matt U.

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That's going to be about the best you'll be able to find with only PCI(not even AGP??). I believe that the geforce 6xxxs all are either AGP or PCI-E. This will defiantely be a big improvement over the Rage II, though.

I believe that the FX series has support for SM 2.0, but I wouldn't be positive of that.

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Alright, thanks for the info. And I found out it does support SM 2.0. But what would you say about the MX 4000? Does it have support for DX9 and pixel/vertex shader support?

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Are you certain about the PCI only thing (it makes finding a decent vid card much harder, you're probably correct but it's worth double checking). The FX's are a bit lacking (especially when compared to ati's 9x00 stuff from the same gen), but I'm not seeing anything better on PCI cards. At least on newegggs list. There is a refurbished FX5700LE (note lacking memory bandwidth). But I've never used that brand before, so I have no idea on how good it'll be.

Here's a possible alternative but it'll cost more (doesn't everything). $60 refurbished motherboard with a low end geforce 6150 in it it's cheap motherboard but it's got some nice features (4x sata, dual channel memory, pci-express 16x slot), a non refurbished one costs $81, I'm fairly sure the vid card uses system memory which is slow. $130 the cheapest 939 pin CPU on newegg. you might be able to find a cheaper cpu somewhere else (I don't have time today to really dig around, but I'd guess you could get a 939 pin sempron for $70-$80, the venice is much nicer though). You may be able to use your ram (if it's DDR 266 or faster), or this would work well. And be certain to double check that anything you buy will be compatible with what you have (like your case has the right form factor, and that your power supply has the right plugs and enough juice)

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I did double-check, and it is PCI-only, unfortunately. But that's okay. I think I'll go with FX 5200/5500. The MX 4000 doesn't support much for DX9. For one, it does not support pixel shaders, which is kind of what I'm looking for.

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But what would you say about the MX 4000? Does it have support for DX9 and pixel/vertex shader support?
No, don't even consider the GeForce 4 MX series - you will regret it. Despite the '4' in their name, the feature set isn't much beyond a GeForce 2 - it has no programmable pipeline (but the proper GeForce 3's and 4's did...)

In fact, I'd be quiet happy if they just magically disappeared overnight [lol]

The FX5200 is a pretty slow card - from the general consensus I've picked up, they might support SM2 technology, but they're more a decent SM1 part with SM2 if you really have to. The performance of the card isn't enough to make good use of the features...

Still, given your other requirements I'd say a 5200 is a reasonable choice. Anything much better will be at least AGP.

hth
Jack

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I've got a PCI video card in my machine. It's a Radeon 9250, I've been playing SW: Battlefront II on it with the default settings and it does great.

Radeon 9250:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814103167

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Anything over a 5200 is overkill in that system.. you aren't even going to be able to peak out the card because you will be utterly CPU bound. You could go with the 5500 if you have the extra cash, but it will be very hard to see a difference between the two with that system.

The 5200 gives you SM3.0 features to play with which is good enough.

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hey i have that one one my desktop. its very nice for the amount i spent. It supports 2.0+ I would look into 5600+ if you want more they also run alittle higher

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The 5200 gives you SM3.0 features to play with which is good enough.


Eh no, 5200 only supports SM 2.0, SM3.0 first appeared with the GF6 series and recently on ATI with the X1XXX series.

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I had recently had a Geforce FX 5200. I built a computer from scratch with the idea of using the 5200 in the new system. Had some problems and started shopping around for cards and wound up with a Geforce 7800 GT OC. It is incredible! The 5200 will do, but I think you'll get tired of it quick. Better to get a job, save up about $500 (few months of paychecks), and build your own from newegg parts.

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yeah its not thst good performance wise but for the amount of money u spending on it is very nice and it does support 2.0+. I wasn't suggesting 3.0 just that 2.0 and 2.2 is different

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I would strongly suggest upgrading the motherboard to at least a 2.x Ghz P4 celeron, or some cheaper equivalent AMD. For videocards, if you buy an agp motherboard you can choose some older (even used) nvidia or ati card. You can go for shader support, but for basic game playing and simple development even a shader 1.x card will do. Sata support is not needed if you want to keep your old drives and please avoid intel integrated video, because most of them lacks the performance of the cheapest gf4mx.

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