Hey Myopic Rhino, I got the book you wrote with Kevin Hawkins (OpenGL game programming). So far it's great. Alghough I wish you would have included stuff about openAL and SDL instead of DirectX, it is still a great book. Go buy it, openGL peoples. You may be an evil moderator but you sure can write a good OpenGL book. Matthew WebMaster www.Matt-Land.com Edited by - TheRealMAN11 on September 5, 2001 7:31:45 PM