Go over to brainbench.com and take some tests. Real fun place. I havent yet dared to take tests in programming, but i just got 2.5 out of 5 in keyboard typist test ... check my transcript 464650 at http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=464650 -kertropp C:\Projects\rg_clue\ph_opt.c(185) : error C3142: 'PushAll' :bad idea C:\Projects\rg_clue\ph_opt.c(207) : error C324: 'TryCnt': missing point