[quote name='Tom Sloper' timestamp='1334957355' post='4933355']
It's you who misread my meaning. I never said trust must be given. Just the opposite. Trust must be earned. Since, with most indies, experience has not yet been gained, trust cannot be earned. This goes to the heart of the original question - why indies don't "respect" designers. Because the designers haven't earned it yet. The only reason I am repeating this is because my original meaning seems to have been misread.

It wasn't misread. Trust is bad for business. Period.
I've already explained why several times.
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I said before that this discussion was about an important topic. And it did start that way, but...

Wow, this shit's getting weird.

I think the discussion has gone on far enough, and I think it's appropriate to shut it down now. Let's move on to something else.