Is the Asgardia project viable?

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This morning I was just reading the news and happened to read about something called asgardia: http://asgardia.space

The basic long story short is that the idea is to build a nation in space, on a space station. Although this does sort of sound like Babylon 5, I'm a little skeptical, as I always am, of these ideas. For some reason tho, it's getting a lot of media attention.

Thoughts?

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No, it's obviously just a scam.

The idea is totally viable. The time frame in which it could come to fruition, however, is a bit further out than the project or its hopefuls might prefer, though.

With the current race to cheap rockets and space travel, we might be able to start building such a structure in 5-10 years. It might be habitable to a small contingent in 15 - 20 years. It might be a viable as a community in 20 - 30 years.

And that assumes it can quickly acquire the many many billions of dollars in funding it will require to create.

In terms of feasibility, a moon base makes way more sense. It would be cheaper to construct and maintain. A proper moonbase is also often considered essential as a first step to even being able to build such a large space vessel/station or to even acquire the required building materials, as launching such large quantities of metal and such off of Earth will remain prohibitively expensive (fuel costs, mostly) no matter how well SpaceX or Origin does at making cheap reusable rockets.

So, yeah. A future space station nation independent of Earth's governments is totally feasible. The specific project called Asgardia... less so.

Also, I'm pretty sure I played the undersea version of this game. A community focused on pure libertarian science-centric ideals didn't work out too well for Rapture, as I recall. :p

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Also, I'm pretty sure I played the undersea version of this game. A community focused on pure libertarian science-centric ideals didn't work out too well for Rapture, as I recall. :P


It didnt work too well in "The 100", either :)

Yes.... if you're willing to give 110% of your soul. Just as someone else said, it's very expensive. The best way to pull this off is to design a space craft that be used for intercontinental transport by cruising through space. A new type of craft, propulsion, etc. This will generate massive revenue and reduce the cost required to send materials and people massively.

That's how you make this work in such small. Use our free market while we still have it.

There is no way it could be done, maybe in a hundred years or after deep space travel.

For a space station to generate artificial gravity in a human living condition would mean that it's so huge that not one country on it's own could supply the building materials. Then there would be the side effects of living in conditions where your body isn't experiencing constant gravity from head to toes.

Growing food for a large population would be impossible, simple crop rotation won't work in these kind of conditions. This would mean that the station would need to receive large amount of fresh soil or compost to feed the plants, the amount of fertilizer that would need to be stored is outrageous. Then there would have to be one plant for each day during a harvest cycle for every person.

Growing the plants is a pain because you have to capture solar energy and use led lights, this is highly insufficient. You can't grow them on the surface of the station because the conditions would kill the plants.

Power would also be a problem because we can't even supply the people on earth with only solar panels, true in space solar panels work better however not by so much that it could replace fossil fuels. You can't use fossil fuels in space because of pollution and even if you dumped it you would be wasting valuable carbon; then there is the fact that any fossil fuel would be in limited supply.

Fixing the solar panels would need a huge amount of spare parts, then include the spare parts needed for the ship.

There are millions of other problems that make this a impossibility, the largest however is that such a station would need constant supplies from earth for the first few months until the ecosystem is balanced, The amount of resources for even only 10 000 people would be to expensive for any nation to support, you would also need a space launch for each day.

Because basically you would need to take a piece of earth and launch it into space, then you have to protect it with a shell and some how keep it functioning.

We can't even keep a single astronaut in space for two measly years.

Is the asgardia project viable?

You're asking programmers about the viability of a space project?

Go and ask at /r/askreddit or something and hope an aerospace engineer or physicist answers.

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When I first read the post I thought it was talking about someone trying to get funding for yet another mmo.

I had to reread to confirm some crazy person actually wants to achieve this in their lifetime. ;)

My honest opinion: Good luck with that!

Is the asgardia project viable?


You're asking programmers about the viability of a space project?

Go and ask at /r/askreddit or something and hope an aerospace engineer or physicist answers.

I just wanted to generate discussion! :P

There is no way it could be done, maybe in a hundred years or after deep space travel.

For a space station to generate artificial gravity in a human living condition would mean that it's so huge that not one country on it's own could supply the building materials. Then there would be the side effects of living in conditions where your body isn't experiencing constant gravity from head to toes.

Growing food for a large population would be impossible, simple crop rotation won't work in these kind of conditions. This would mean that the station would need to receive large amount of fresh soil or compost to feed the plants, the amount of fertilizer that would need to be stored is outrageous. Then there would have to be one plant for each day during a harvest cycle for every person.
Growing the plants is a pain because you have to capture solar energy and use led lights, this is highly insufficient. You can't grow them on the surface of the station because the conditions would kill the plants.

Power would also be a problem because we can't even supply the people on earth with only solar panels, true in space solar panels work better however not by so much that it could replace fossil fuels. You can't use fossil fuels in space because of pollution and even if you dumped it you would be wasting valuable carbon; then there is the fact that any fossil fuel would be in limited supply.
Fixing the solar panels would need a huge amount of spare parts, then include the spare parts needed for the ship.

There are millions of other problems that make this a impossibility, the largest however is that such a station would need constant supplies from earth for the first few months until the ecosystem is balanced, The amount of resources for even only 10 000 people would be to expensive for any nation to support, you would also need a space launch for each day.
Because basically you would need to take a piece of earth and launch it into space, then you have to protect it with a shell and some how keep it functioning.


We can't even keep a single astronaut in space for two measly years.


I was really surprised to see this on BBC. This sounds a lot like Mars One again though, tbh.

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You're asking programmers about the viability of a space project?

Well I mean we do make a lot of space games and have some general knowledge of what it would take to live in space and general knowledge is all you need to know this is just a scam.

This sounds a lot like Mars One again though, tbh.

Just a one more group of people looking to profit off the same fools.

I was really surprised to see this on BBC

It's like a trend these days, almost as if people want a change in live so bad they are willing to believe any thing. For example the solar roadways and the hyperloop, even large companies are trowing huge amounts of money at these projects that never even passed the brainstorming session(The hyperloop at least is doing some test).

I am really tempted to start a project where I tell people I will be covering the moon in solar panels, providing the world with cheap and eco-friendly electrical power, then I will sit back and watch as people bombard me with money. All I need is a vague website and some specialist willing to lie for a cut of all the cash.

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