No. I'm telling you the term takes intelligent creative people and refers to them as meat. Cattle. Sheep. They mindlessly go to the office to be warm bodies. Asses in seats. They're not intelligent creative people - they're just meat.
No, that's a direct interpretation of the term, irrespective of the actual intended meaning.
It's like if someone tried to make the case to you, that your name means peeping "Tom", on the action verb of a snowy bank "Sloper", that your actively skiing.
Or,
If I ask you what time of day it is, and you say "knight time", and I get upset since knights hypothetically killed my dog.
or
telling me the saying, "a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush", is an inhumane hunting practice of keeping a bird trapped in your palm, is equal to allowing 2 birds to be free in a bush.
Seriously, you think I didn't understand that? Its intention is irrelevant to the connotations it carries. What I said before about saying "meat space" in an interview? If in an interview a candidate refers to the office as a "meat space," the interviewer will get the impression, rightfully or not, that the candidate doesn't have respect for office workers (thus would not fit in with the team). I'm so glad you continued defending the term, so that I could go into more detail explaining my reaction to it.
Wow really?
Intentions always matter, along with the context
Your taking my words out of context, stripping them of intentions, dressing them in a suit, and telling me your personal interpretations of this term should dictate how I and others speak on a semi professional gaamedev forum.
Last I checked, we're not in an interview, and I didn't submit this thread in a job application.
Your trying to moderate something that's out of your platform, my personal thoughts during an interview.
Yes, I agree with you, "meat space" should not be used in an interview.
Nor do I think of people of any background as cattle.
The only possible way I could see how this term would have the meaning your giving it is in context of factory work, where your meaning would indeed be an accurate misconception, reflected in the term itself.
I am also glad for this back and forth, since it does also give me a way to better articulate my meaning, and the context of the word, and how I've usually seen it used.
But, striping any term out of context..
look,
If I made the case to you that "stripping" words out of context meant having indecent naked words, without proper punctuation or divine capitalization....
Or
How "Remote" would mean that the worker is a mindless slave to the device they are using, since they are acting not to the actions of anyone nearby, but actions of people far away, isn't that insidious mind control on a global scale?
Remote working is the complete opposite of being micro managed, you're given a task and a deadline and how you manage your time and resources to meet that deadline is up to you.
I very much like all of your post,
Couldn't the case also be made that many workers in our society can't handle that kind of unstructured freedom?
Remember,
Our last full revolution was the industrial revolution, where people were, "meat" as Tom likes to misinterpret the phrase we been debating over.
The Industrial model treats people like machines, yet now we have "machines", as in our automation revolution.
Many have of-course already heralded that our society is in the information age, but I'd say most can't ponder and adjust to the ramifications, until the tail end of any given shift.
The core issue that our society has right now, is that there are too many revolutions going on, mainly brought about by technology, yet, some are trying to hold technology as a static variable, when it's a dynamic one.
How it all effects "work" gets at the heart of how most people spend their time, at work.
This style of work isn't for everyone as unfortunately not everyone has a strong work ethic, loves their job, or will work without direct supervision.
But when we seek work, that is unfulfilling, in everything except the financial aspect, are we really doing work worth doing?
I've always known my brother was motivated by finance and status, he even confirmed it to me today actually, yet he's going to med school to be a doctor.
I wounder if he will be happy and satisfied down the line, my gut says no, but if we took the dangerous path of saying intentions don't matter, just the result, we could propose that he will be fine, given just his effort and payout.
Will he continue to have the same work ethic if some of his job is automatized?
will wanting the reward and loving that feeling spill over into loving his actual job?
Will he continue, even if doctors may make less as a result?
These are rhetorical, but the questions of why work remain.
In all honesty some poeple love to work like this and many others simply can't. I prefer to work from home, but I find myself working for an organisation where things simply don't happen as effectively if I do.
Now, is that effectiveness due to the proportion of inperson VS. remote worker?
Perhaps the tools and dependencies remote workers are dealing with, vs. in person systems?
or countless other variables....
Do you mean both effectiveness and efficiency? or just effectiveness?
(One has to do with the quality, while the other has to do with the quantity of work)
I think if everyone could work from home without direct supervision as a software developer or gamedev everyone would be, as it's magnitudes cheaper for the employer.
Right,
no doubt, remote works very well for our technical fields, but what about others?
I was working for a nonprofit for a year, and many times I was at my prefab table, with my laptop, looking around the office, many days would go by with few communications to co-workers, and still got all my work done.
I would many a time wounder why there was not as many purely remote nonprofits, if any.
I mean, the amount of cost to just rent our space...
I guess, the main drawback would be we're serving under privileged people, and new immigrants, many of which don't have the resources or skill to use computers (not a generalization, it was true in Houston's china town.)
But for other nonprofits who don't need to have such contact....
It's a case of "when the cats away the mice shall play", and given the chance perhaps half of people ive worked with might take that chance to slack off and production drops. These things can't really be dealt with by actively monitoring staff as this engenders mistrust and takes up valuable time, nobody wants to be micro manged.
But aren't most of us hypothetically adults?
Of course, micromanagement is not the solution, but why are we paying people money, and in many cases big money, if they can't be trusted to manage themselves?
No I know, it's not that simple, and many people want to put the least in, for the most amount out, but is it them? or is it our society that allows for and rewards this behavior?
I have a sneaking suspicion that many of our incentive systems in our society, and mainly work in particular, aren't actually aligned with each other, or the full diversity of human nature.
Isn't there something wrong when making money and doing good for others and society are mainly opposed?
Sure, that's how you make shure people are doing it for the subjective "right" reasons, but when teachers make less than most everyone, and are near the bottom of the status hierarchy...
Why is it that those with the most potential direct human impact make the least, but those with the most potential mass passing human impact make the most?
"survival" can't be the answer here, like it's seemingly everywhere else, can it?