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I have a number of issues with this:
- Nintendo is using this to sidestep the most important issue: what will new games look like and how will they play?
I'm not quite sure where it is all originating, but I don't think Nintendo is sidestepping as much as it would seem. I think most of that feeling comes from the prospective consumers that are raving about the play-old-games factor (which I find nothing wrong with). You could be right though.
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Is this Revolutionary concepts of this console going to be that it is the first console to completely eschue new content?
Don't be absurd. Just because they are providing old content doesn't mean they aren't going to provide any new content.
I think you just read too much into the term 'revolutionary'. 'Revolutionary' products come out twice a week. At least this one has something to set it apart from its competitors. Of course, whether or not that thing gives you incentive to buy it is another issue entirely.
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We also see Nintendo completely avoiding new IP. Nintendo doesn't have a creative bone in the company anymore, all they know how to do is rehash their own library of games.
I think you're being a little narrow-sighted here. Maybe they use the same 12 (or so) characters in all of their games, but that doesn't mean they aren't being creative in other ways. Sure, they aren't re-defining game play or anything, but they're still creative. For example, they took the basics of a soccer game, threw in some power-ups, obstacles, and action clips, and made a new don't-take-this-too-seriously-play-with-your-friends game. That sort of creativity isn't the ground-breaking kind, but it isn't trying to be, and it is still legitimate.
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The vast majority of the gaming market won't care about this. Hardcore gamers are the only ones that will care, and they represent a very small minority.
Maybe that's their target audience (at least with the play-old-games feature). I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
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If you are a hardcore gamer, then you already own these games, or you have no objection about downloading them illegally.
Eh, be careful about defining groups of people in such a way. That obviously does not apply to every hardcore gamer. I know you're smart enough not to make that kind of generalization. Or maybe you define 'hardcore gamer' differently than me. Even if that were the case, it conflicts with your previous point about targeting hardcore gamers, many of whom, from posts in this and previous discussions, are obviously willing to buy the system.
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I already own many of these games. I highly doubt they will create a ROM dumping utility as it would probably be easy to spoof with a spliced cable to a PC. You *will* be paying for games you already own.
I think you are right.
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I already paid for these games a second time when I bought them for my GBA.
I already paid twice for old hardware when I bought a GBA SP.You are partly justified here, but I don't think there were Genesis games and TurboGrafx games for those handhelds, which was the original topic of this thread. Not only that, but playing those games on a handheld is much different than playing them on a console hooked up to a T.V. Your frustration is understandable though.
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PC Emulation for these consoles is superb, and most modern TVs and pc graphics cards have S-Video connectors. A ROM dumper is cheap, and a good portion of the NES games are in the public domain. Throw in a few general purpose game pads (or the original console gamepads with USB adapters), and you're pretty much set. Load it all onto a laptop if you want to be in your living room. Any $300 or less used laptop you find on eBay will be more than sufficient.
I think there are a number of people whom find the whole ROM process a hassle, myself included. I suspect downloading and playing games on the Revolution will be far less involved. You are also ignoring the fact that the Revolution has appealing characteristics that a computer doesn't have, such as portability* and the ability to play Revolution games (it's still valid, I think, to want to be able to play both games on the same system).
* I know you mentioned a laptop, but I don't think many people are going to buy a cheap laptop rather than a Revolution just so they can play old games. This is again part of the hastle-factor.
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Old games aren't that much fun anymore. Have you played Streets of Rage lately, even with the original hardware? The controls are sluggish, the framerate is low, the gameplay is highly repetitive, and the bosses are cheap. The truth of the matter is that the game industry has learned a lot about making highly entertaining games in the last 20 years.
I tend to agree with you on this subject, but I know many people whom are totally content playing old games.
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Isn't that a monthly-subscription system? That's what really puts me off about it. I think most people whom want to play old games just have a select few old games they want to play, and paying monthly for them just doesn't seem worth it. If they offer a setup for buying single games, feel free to correct me.
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This is a continuation of the morphology of the console into a PC.
I disagree. Just because a PC can do it doesn't mean it is a trait inherent to PCs. PCs are just an easy medium to accomplish the resurrection of old games on, especially considering the fact that most of these resurrections are made by indie programmers. I think it was just taking a good idea that happened to be executed on a PC and putting it into a more accessible place.
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At first, I was really excited about this news. Now that I think about it, it feels rather insulting. In light of the DS Lite (after Nintendo said it would not repacke the DS like it did with the GBA), this is another example of Nintendo repackaging old content and passing it off as "a good bit of nostalgia".
If you feel insulted, you may be taking it too personally.
I don't think the DS Lite is an example of "passing it off as a good bit of nostalgia." I thought it made people mad because they felt like they were ripped off when they bought the original DS, or because they see it as a better product and know they want to buy, even though they already own a DS. Your example becomes even further separated with the fact that Nintendo hasn't really done this before - it's not just a few old games, it's a huge collection of old games immediately available through download.
I think I understand your viewpoint, but I think some of it is based on loose foundations, or presented improperly.
